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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I find it interesting how this trade bill requires a component in it to deal with all the people who will lose jobs should it pass. That little trip wire sure causes me to step back a few paces from understanding what is being attempted here.
    I can't say that I am surprised. They do not mind screwing workers by shipping jobs overseas. So I can't imagine that they would care what happens to these people who lost their jobs.Plus if they voted for the assistance to these people they would be admitting that these trade deals screw Americans out of their jobs.
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I find it interesting how this trade bill requires a component in it to deal with all the people who will lose jobs should it pass. That little trip wire sure causes me to step back a few paces from understanding what is being attempted here.
    That has been a standard feature of every trade bill since 1962, IIRC.
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    As I've said previously, I found it funny that some of the same people who wanted to give Obama authority to bind the US in a deal with Iran didn't want him to have authority to bind the US to a trade deal. The opposite is also true.
    At the time of the Iran Deal president Obama was doing something most of them agreed with.If they had opposed the Iran deal then they would have opposed Obama on the Iran deal. Chamber of commerce politicians love sucking the cocks of big business and kissing the asses of fat cats.So they are supporting Obama on this TPP deal.If they did not like American jobs being shipped over seas,president having more authority on immigration or jobs given to forign workers on tech visas at the expense of American workers then they would oppose the TPP deal.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    At the time of the Iran Deal president Obama was doing something most of them agreed with.If they had opposed the Iran deal then they would have opposed Obama on the Iran deal. Chamber of commerce politicians love sucking the cocks of big business and kissing the asses of fat cats.So they are supporting Obama on this TPP deal.If they did not like American jobs being shipped over seas,president having more authority on immigration or jobs given to forign workers on tech visas at the expense of American workers then they would oppose the TPP deal.
    I wasn't so much speaking to the details of each issue but to the principle of providing the President authority that normally rests with Congress - if it were me, I'd always vote no on giving up my constitutional authority regardless of the issue.
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I wasn't so much speaking to the details of each issue but to the principle of providing the President authority that normally rests with Congress - if it were me, I'd always vote no on giving up my constitutional authority regardless of the issue.
    If your party is in the minority in both the house and senate and the president is your guy of course they would be willing to give the president more more. I believe the republicans did the same thing when Bush was office.Often times they do not seem to think about what would happen if it is the other party's guy is president.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    That has been a standard feature of every trade bill since 1962, IIRC.
    Is that right? Well, it seems to me they have been underestimating the impact. As a time when we have dealt away our manufacturing strengths, it seems curious to be choosing job loss retraining as a hill to die on.
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Is that right? Well, it seems to me they have been underestimating the impact. As a time when we have dealt away our manufacturing strengths, it seems curious to be choosing job loss retraining as a hill to die on.
    They did it to stop the overall bill. Worker assistance goes back to JFK, in 1962 IIRC.
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