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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Obama's Chickens Come Home to Roost - Maureen Dowd, New York Times
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

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    Obama's Chickens Come Home to Roost - Maureen Dowd, New York Times
    Happy Sunday morning, Jack.

    I have loved Maureen Dowd for years! Sharp lady! Her articles are always well-written, and she doesn't hesitate in skewering either side when necessary, which is fair!

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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

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    Happy Sunday morning, Jack.

    I have loved Maureen Dowd for years! Sharp lady! Her articles are always well-written, and she doesn't hesitate in skewering either side when necessary, which is fair!
    Happy Sunday Polgara.

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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

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    To me, that's the sign of a good columnist. I don't need someone to parrot, nor do I need someone to disagree with and vilify. I appreciate someone who makes me consider aspects I may not otherwise. To me, that means it's likely that they actually think about the issues, too.
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

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    To me, that's the sign of a good columnist. I don't need someone to parrot, nor do I need someone to disagree with and vilify. I appreciate someone who makes me consider aspects I may not otherwise. To me, that means it's likely that they actually think about the issues, too.
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    House Dems voted against that aspect because the bill as a whole can't pass without both parts, and the ... here....

    Obama quest for fast-track trade bill on ice in House | Reuters
    [/quote]Hours before lawmakers were due to vote on the legislation, Obama arrived at Capitol Hill with Labor Secretary Thomas Perez for the culmination of a short but intense blitz to counter union efforts to use the worker support program to kill fast-track.

    The AFL-CIO, the country's largest labor organization, claimed that funding for the worker aid program would be insufficient.

    But it also rallied support for its cause by arguing that a vote against worker aid would be the perfect tactic for stopping fast track.[/quote]

    So, you're saying the House Dems voted against the bill not because they really didn't want a fast-track up or down vote on trade bills but because the Union leadership (AFL-CIO) didn't support it over a worker aid funding measure?
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What is this talking about?


    Originally Posted by ludin
    yea well we shouldn't be losing that much, and the gains that we get should cover those people that lose.
    It is not my job to keep you informed of the conversation so go back and read and figure it out.

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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    It is not my job to keep you informed of the conversation so go back and read and figure it out.
    Good dodge, or was it a Chrysler.
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    GOPs and DEMs opposed TAA for opposite reasons.
    GOPs are against giving aid to workers who lose their jobs due to trade pacts.
    DEMs wanted more aid to displaced workers.

    Pelosi has been a huge factor in this House since she DID NOT whip against the Cromnibus last December--saving the asses of both Boehner and Obama .
    Well, that's wrong. The primary opposition in the Republican party was to the transfer of power from the Congress to the Presidency.
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I think what the "lost employment" component of this trade bill is trying to do is protect jobs that otherwise might be lost because foreign employers may want to "hire their own" similar to what took place in the early-80's when American auto manufacturers retooled using Japanese ingenuity to remake the auto industry after the 1979 recession. It was about that time that outsourcing began to can hold and subsequently soar. If this is true, it makes me wonder why House Democrats voted against this provision given our current low employment figures in manufacturing jobs overall.

    As to the fast-track measure, I'd have to give it more thought (not to mention read the bill) but on the surface it seems a good idea since all the bill appears to do is ensure an up or down vote on trade deals submitted from the President. What gets me, however, is why the House is voting on this? I suppose of such trade deals are presented to Congress as a bill, then this makes since. But if such are presented as "treaties," then shouldn't this be between the President and the Senate?
    I would guess there is a sense there will be jobs lost to foreign competition should this trade bill pass, and the training is designed to help those who are impacted. It seems to me we have never done a very good job with trade negotiations, and I'm a bit skeptical that history is going to be overturned this time around.
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