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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Right, but what a politicians says or doesn't say during a campaign is nebulous, at best. Presuming they've been around enough we should be able to guess pretty accurately where they'd stand based on their track record.
    Well, if we are going by track record, IMO we can't believe ANYTHING Hillary tells us now. So it really doesn't matter what she says she thinks about the TPP.
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    yea well we shouldn't be losing that much, and the gains that we get should cover those people that lose.
    And you have this on the authority of the three legislators that actually read the RD?
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, AlbqOwl.

    I also wonder 1) who is going to decide if unfair currency manipulation might be taking place; 2) what the criteria might be for determining same; and 3) who's going to be responsible for handling the problem. Since countries have been known to manipulate their currency to avoid domestic problems like excess inflation and/or deflation - even we have done that - how could it be argued that it should or should not also apply to foreign trade?
    I have a smidgeon of training in economics, but stuff like that is over my pay grade, Polgara. I know it happens, and when people think the USA is manipulating currency, they complain. When we think others are doing it, we complain but I don't know how it works or how to explain it. So I'm sure that is a component the experts should be looking at along with many other factors. But the fact that it is all being done under such a cloak of secrecy makes me think there is a lot of stuff being negotiated that they don't want us to know about. And when it involves each and every one of us, that is never a good thing.
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Well, if we are going by track record, IMO we can't believe ANYTHING Hillary tells us now. So it really doesn't matter what she says she thinks about the TPP.
    There is that.

    Which is why I don't buy for a second her sudden concern for the common person.
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And you have this on the authority of the three legislators that actually read the RD?
    again you need to go back and read what is being said and understand the conversation because you don't know what you are talking about.

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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    There is that.

    Which is why I don't buy for a second her sudden concern for the common person.
    Exactly. Words are really cheap and not to be taken seriously when people don't back them up by the way they conduct themselves and live their lives. And when a person's values, attitudes, and convictions shift easily according to the audience being addressed, the only conclusion that seems reasonable is that the person is thoroughly untrustworthy.
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    again you need to go back and read what is being said and understand the conversation because you don't know what you are talking about.
    Pretty stupid to discuss the "merits" of a trade deal that only three legislators have actually looked at.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Pretty stupid to discuss the "merits" of a trade deal that only three legislators have actually looked at.
    535 have had the opportunity.
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    535 have had the opportunity.
    Um, yes indeed, my point.
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Um, yes indeed, my point.
    Their dereliction of duty does not affect the terms. The fact that the text was made available speaks to the administration's laudable transparency.
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