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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    There are two bills. Dems were expected to provide the votes for worker assistance,
    By whom? You keep repeating this but won't say by whom or where the evidence for this comes from. I've never seen Democrats support giving aid to workers displaced because of global agreements. Have you? Apparently not or you would have posted it already.
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

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    If the bill is so great why is there assistance provisions for displaced Americans?
    Assistance for impacted workers has accompanied every trade pact negotiated since WW2.
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    By whom? You keep repeating this but won't say by whom or where the evidence for this comes from. I've never seen Democrats support giving aid to workers displaced because of global agreements. Have you? Apparently not or you would have posted it already.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_A...ent_Assistance

    Trade Adjustment Assistance consists of four programs authorized under the Trade Expansion Act of 1962 and defined further under the Trade Act of 1974 (19 U.S.C. § 2341 et seq) (Trade Act). The original idea for a trade compensation program goes back to 1939.[1] Later, it was proposed by President John F. Kennedy as part of the total package to open up free trade. President Kennedy said: “When considerations of national policy make it desirable to avoid higher tariffs, those injured by that competition should not be required to bear the full brunt of the impact. Rather, the burden of economic adjustment should be borne in part by the Federal Government.”[2]
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Interesting. I did not know that. However, I looked up the bill authorizing the bill and the majority of Republicans voted in favor of it. Why weren't they expected to be overwhelmingly in favor of it seeing as how their leaders support this bill?
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Interesting. I did not know that. However, I looked up the bill authorizing the bill and the majority of Republicans voted in favor of it. Why weren't they expected to be overwhelmingly in favor of it seeing as how their leaders support this bill?
    As already posted, many Repubs have longstanding ideological objections to that assistance. It has heretofore always passed with a majority of Dems and a minority of Repubs. It was the Dem defections that sank it.
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    As already posted, many Repubs have longstanding ideological objections to that assistance. It has heretofore always passed with a majority of Dems and a minority of Repubs. It was the Dem defections that sank it.
    Democratic... defections? I didn't know the democrats who voted in this had passed every single one of those trade acts or were expected to vote in the same way as democrats of the past. Jack, you seem to be hellbent on this narrative that Republicans remain the minority party. However, they have the numbers to do it. They had the numbers to pass it without Democrat help. That's 245 Republicans in the House. They simply couldn't and it's obvious by the fact that the majority of the party voted against the bill.
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I find it interesting how this trade bill requires a component in it to deal with all the people who will lose jobs should it pass. That little trip wire sure causes me to step back a few paces from understanding what is being attempted here.
    similar to NAFTA. look at that mess and all the jobs that were shipped to mexico and we got very little back in return on that deal.
    also truck drivers got screwed because the junk shipping from mexico could then do it and they don't have the same safety spec's required
    that US truckers do.

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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Democratic... defections? I didn't know the democrats who voted in this had passed every single one of those trade acts or were expected to vote in the same way as democrats of the past. Jack, you seem to be hellbent on this narrative that Republicans remain the minority party. However, they have the numbers to do it. They had the numbers to pass it without Democrat help. That's 245 Republicans in the House. They simply couldn't and it's obvious by the fact that the majority of the party voted against the bill.
    A majority of Repubs voted against worker assistance, as expected. Repubs passed trade promotion, as expected. A majority of Dems voted against worker assistance, which was unprecedented and sank the bill. As Boehner noted, he delivered his votes; the Dems did not deliver theirs.
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Assistance for impacted workers has accompanied every trade pact negotiated since WW2.
    I have no problem with assistance but the fact is that those jobs should be replaced by other things from the trade agreement.
    if it isn't then the trade agreement is a bad deal and this TPA is a really bad deal for us.

    I am glad the house stomped it in the ground.

    the thing is we shouldn't be losing jobs in trade agreements we should be gaining jobs.

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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

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    Democratic... defections? I didn't know the democrats who voted in this had passed every single one of those trade acts or were expected to vote in the same way as democrats of the past. Jack, you seem to be hellbent on this narrative that Republicans remain the minority party. However, they have the numbers to do it. They had the numbers to pass it without Democrat help. That's 245 Republicans in the House. They simply couldn't and it's obvious by the fact that the majority of the party voted against the bill.
    House Democrats rebuff Obama on trade, delivering major defeat - The Washington Post


    House Democrats rebuff Obama on trade, delivering major defeat

    The House of Representatives blocked legislation to “fast-track” trade deals through Congress, dealing a big blow to President Obama. House Democrats dealt President Obama a humiliating defeat on his free-trade initiative Friday, derailing a key priority for the president and rebuffing his rare, personal pleas for their support.

    The defeat at the hands of his own party placed Obama’s trade agenda in limbo and exposed deep party divisions on economic policy, leaving the pro-trade Democrats marginalized by the anti-corporate wing of the party, which has been on the rise since the 2008 financial collapse. It also exposed the weakening hand of House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), who had worked for days to avoid a Democratic takedown of the president’s agenda, only to throw her support in with the rank-and-file rebellion at the last minute. . . .


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