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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ... well... it's already started my friend:

    Wonder how many fainting people she'll come to the rescue to.

    https://youtu.be/dGZ4WeQwmIk

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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Apparently neither did Democrats. Unless of course you're saying that Democrats have actively advocated for assistance to US workers displaced by global trade. I haven't seen that anywhere. I'm not sure why you're still trying to pin this on them. Were your expectations not met?
    Please see #88. The NYT captures it.
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Please see #88. The NYT captures it.
    It doesn't really. All it says is that Democrats weren't in favor of that part of that bill. That says nothing about what was expected from them or who expected it. I know that I personally don't support a bill with some aid to people displaced because of global trade. I don't know a Democrat on this forum who does. Hell, I don't even know a Republican on this forum who supports that. So it seems like this part of the bill had no hopes of getting passed. Republicans are going to try to get it passed on Tuesday apparently. Weird how things change.
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Problem is they go the arbitration route and generally win.
    workers would have to organize to have any power. pushed far enough, it might happen again. unfortunately, we are split right down the middle by the stupid duopoly, and that's why we get screwed again and again by both sides.

    so yeah, they might sue for lost profits. however, screw their blackmail. Lucy has pulled the ball enough that there is no ****ing way that i'm going in for a kick.

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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It doesn't really. All it says is that Democrats weren't in favor of that part of that bill. That says nothing about what was expected from them or who expected it. I know that I personally don't support a bill with some aid to people displaced because of global trade. I don't know a Democrat on this forum who does. Hell, I don't even know a Republican on this forum who supports that. So it seems like this part of the bill had no hopes of getting passed. Republicans are going to try to get it passed on Tuesday apparently. Weird how things change.
    If that's your view I'm not going to try to change it. I think you're wrong and forty years of previous votes support that. Dems have always supported worker assistance and only started talking about opposing it as a way to block trade promotion authority. The irony is that Repubs delivered the votes BHO was counting on but Dems did not.
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    anyone see where hillary stands on this?
    Yeah, Bernie is trying to get her to talk:

    Bernie Sanders Calls Hillary Clinton's Silence on Trade Deal Offensive

    "I don't understand how, on an issue of such huge consequence, you don't have an opinion"

    Asked if Clinton's refusal to take a position offends him, Sanders said:

    "Yes, it does."

    "If she's against this, we need her to speak out, right now. Right now," Sanders said. "I don't understand how any candidate, Democrat or Republican, is not speaking out on that issue."
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    If that's your view I'm not going to try to change it.
    That's not my view. I asked you to show what exactly was expected of Democrats. From all we know, neither Democrats nor Republicans seem to be ready to take that burden with elections less than 2 years away. I don't blame them. However, if you're going to claim that Democrats were expected to pass the bill, I'd like to see some evidence. Not that it's relevant or anything. There are 245 Republicans in the House. If they want bills passed, they better have all the votes for it. Democrats didn't depend on Republicans to pass Obamacare, did they?
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Yet Clyburn and Hoyer didn't vote no--the #s 2 and 3.
    Many DEMs were insulted by the President "trying to guilt people and impugn their integrity".
    Kind of like calling Sen. Warren "Elizabeth" and never calling her Senator, as she calls him the President .
    Greetings, NIMBY.

    In studying what is known about this proposed TPP Agreement, I have more questions, so here they are.

    1. If it's so great, why is it a secret?

    2. We already have trade agreements with many of these countries. This will probably not open new opportunities for American exports, since most of the countries involved won't allow it, except for food. Perhaps that has been dealt with in this TPP, but I don't know. If enacted, however, it will encompass 40% of all global economic activity.

    3. Many of the details will not be known until five years after BHO leaves office. Why is this?

    4. The Democrats that voted against this feel that NAFTA hurt workers by causing job losses in the millions, and they feel that TPP will be NAFTA on a global scale - which is why they insist that TAA be included in the deal.

    You may not know the answers to my questions, but you keep up on things, so I bugged you! Apologies in advance.

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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    That's not my view. I asked you to show what exactly was expected of Democrats. From all we know, neither Democrats nor Republicans seem to be ready to take that burden with elections less than 2 years away. I don't blame them. However, if you're going to claim that Democrats were expected to pass the bill, I'd like to see some evidence. Not that it's relevant or anything. There are 245 Republicans in the House. If they want bills passed, they better have all the votes for it. Democrats didn't depend on Republicans to pass Obamacare, did they?
    There are two bills. Dems were expected to provide the votes for worker assistance, a program they created and have always supported. (Repubs always opposed it and were not expected to provide more than subsidiary support.) The second bill was trade promotion authority. Repubs were expected to provide the votes for it and did so. You don't need to take my word for it. This is what will be all over the Sunday talk shows.
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    Re: Obama quest for fast-track trade bill defeated for now in House

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    There are two bills. Dems were expected to provide the votes for worker assistance, a program they created and have always supported. (Repubs always opposed it and were not expected to provide more than subsidiary support.) The second bill was trade promotion authority. Repubs were expected to provide the votes for it and did so. You don't need to take my word for it. This is what will be all over the Sunday talk shows.
    If the bill is so great why is there assistance provisions for displaced Americans?

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