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    Re: Net Neutrality Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by MrT View Post
    To be fair, the way the internet providers work, they essentially have regional monopolies in most areas of the country already. That was one of the primary reasons for the passage of Net Neutrality.
    Your contention is that NN will increase competition?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Net Neutrality Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    How is that not correct? Is that not Net Neutrality? Treating all packets equally?
    That is the layman's way of putting it, and the reality is somewhat more complicated.



    It raises cost because the old standard of 4/1 was just increased by 5 fold/3 fold. That means to qualify in selling broadband you need to meet that standard. Means more lines need to be ran. You think lines are laid for free? Hubs are build for free? No, it will go to the consumers. Areas in yellow meet the standards.
    It doesn't mean you have to sell that speed. It means you have to have that speed to call it broadband.

    I can only worry so much about hypotheticals. In either case, if the FCC decided to assess the USF tax for internet access, I would support the GOP-held Congress' inevitable legislation to reverse that.
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    Re: Net Neutrality Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Your contention is that NN will increase competition?
    He...didn't say anything of the sort?

    Internet access is more or less a natural monopoly, which is why stricter regulation is required to prevent abuse of that power. We'd all love it if there was the same amount of competition in internet access as there was in, say, making televisions, but that just isn't technically feasible at this time.
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    Re: Net Neutrality Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    No need to stop there. I can't think of single government function that works better than it did in, say, the 1950's when government actually tried to do the right thing.
    Like undermine, destabilize and overthrow democratically elected governments, for which we now bear the consequences? Brilliant reasoning, devoid of anything factual or intelligent but brilliant none the less.
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    Re: Net Neutrality Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    He...didn't say anything of the sort?
    He said that NN came about because of the virtual monopolies.
    I figure that means that NN was meant to work against the virtual monopolies.

    What do you think he means NN relationship to virtual monopolies is?
    That the NN will lessen competition?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Net Neutrality Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    He said that NN came about because of the virtual monopolies.
    I figure that means that NN was meant to work against the virtual monopolies.

    What do you think he means NN relationship to virtual monopolies is?
    That the NN will lessen competition?
    Sorry, was too slow editing in the explanation.

    Internet access is more or less a natural monopoly, which is why stricter regulation is required to prevent abuse of that power. We'd all love it if there was the same amount of competition in internet access as there was in, say, making televisions, but that just isn't technically feasible at this time.
    It's not that net neutrality increases or decreases competition in delivering internet data, it's that the natural monopoly of the ISP means that net neutrality is important.

    Incidentally, net neutrality does support competition of the data itself - paid prioritization can stack the deck in favor of bigger companies able to afford it, making it harder for a Facebook to arise that outcompetes MySpace. Or DeuceBook stands a better chance against Facebook

    DeuceBook: A website for ****heads to spew ****. Given the number of those on the internet, I'm going to be rich!!!
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    Re: Net Neutrality Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    My biggest fear is that now that the FCC has their foot in the door, they'll eventually impose decency standards and censorship on the internet like they do on radio and television. I hope that never happens, but it wouldn't surprise me one bit. You probably want to be careful what you wish for when the FCC and government is involved.
    The FCC has had their foot in the door forever. So is there anything in the net neutrality rules that makes that more likely? I haven't seen anything. Just the opposite. What it actually does is strengthen the idea that ISPs are required to treat all traffic on the same terms and are at least less allowed to pick and choose which traffic gets priority. Most of the free speech, open internet groups strongly supported net neutrality, and I am positive all those groups would strongly oppose any rules containing content that isn't somehow demonstrably dangerous - e.g. trafficking in nuclear weapons or something - which I'm pretty sure the Feds have always had the authority to shut down.

    And the thing is the public really doesn't want any part of 'censoring' the Internet, or decency standards for that matter. Maybe the religious conservatives would support getting pron off their kids' computers, but that's about it. The rest of the country is watching pron, and n*de celebrities, and all the rest....

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    Re: Net Neutrality Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Like undermine, destabilize and overthrow democratically elected governments, for which we now bear the consequences? Brilliant reasoning, devoid of anything factual or intelligent but brilliant none the less.
    Thank you.

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    Re: Net Neutrality Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurmugeon View Post
    As the conventional Internet starts to suffer, people will simply turn away from it, to other networking technologies.

    Particularly, private, dedicated, fiber optic and low power, massively distributed, WiFi (below the FCC regulation RF emissions limit ) LANs, instead of Coaxial IP WANs.

    Wealthy neighborhoods, and upscale apartment buildings will start offering LANs to have private, unregulated, unmonitored communications between well-to-do people, and the common man will be shut out.

    Financial Trading will begin to occur, between the people with true-Wealth to trade, within these dedicated, private, LAN networks, and along with it will be unlimited, uncensored Political discourse.

    As the technology gains usage by the wealthy elite, it will get cheaper to buy, because allot more of it is being manufactured.

    As the technology get cheaper, many common people, interested in un-throttled MMO Gaming access, will adopt these LANs for circles of friends to game together.

    As the common people begin to invest in the LAN tech for gaming, they will also begin to use the freedom to have un-Leftie-Censored Political Discourse.

    The Lefties seem to think that "Net-Neutrality" is going to give them a backdoor opportunity to shut down all of that Politically Incorrect discourse, giving them censorship control of political speech and thought.

    The PC Censorship of the Internet will drive people to escape the Internet, in the same way that the PC Censorship of the MSM media drove people away from the MSM into Internet Blogs and News forums.

    The PC Censorship will fail!

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    Just curious how net neutrality facilitates us lefties keeping your right wing political viewpoints off the internet? I'd love to know how it works so we can eliminate all dissent from our leftie views on the web and eventually take over the world!

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    Re: Net Neutrality Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    The FCC has had their foot in the door forever. So is there anything in the net neutrality rules that makes that more likely? I haven't seen anything. Just the opposite. What it actually does is strengthen the idea that ISPs are required to treat all traffic on the same terms and are at least less allowed to pick and choose which traffic gets priority. Most of the free speech, open internet groups strongly supported net neutrality, and I am positive all those groups would strongly oppose any rules containing content that isn't somehow demonstrably dangerous - e.g. trafficking in nuclear weapons or something - which I'm pretty sure the Feds have always had the authority to shut down.

    And the thing is the public really doesn't want any part of 'censoring' the Internet, or decency standards for that matter. Maybe the religious conservatives would support getting pron off their kids' computers, but that's about it. The rest of the country is watching pron, and n*de celebrities, and all the rest....
    I really hope you are correct!

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