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    Re: Net Neutrality Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    It's not assume, it's fact. Compliance cost is always passed on to the the consumer.
    Let me know when you have evidence that there are any compliance costs.
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    Re: Net Neutrality Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Let me know when you have evidence that there are any compliance costs.
    I'm not exactly sure what they need to comply with that is going to cost so much money. It's not like they can actually hide the throttling itself or build any new infrastructure to monitor it, or even so much as create any new software to ensure throttling isn't happening. So what the hell do they need to comply with other than not charging people depending on the content that they view?
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    Re: Net Neutrality Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Let me know when you have evidence that there are any compliance costs.
    There will be compliance cost for these two reasons.

    1) No more routing (shaping) traffic. I.E. someone downloading a video vs someone checking email (packet priority).

    2) FCC's new definition of broadband (25/3).

    Local areas have to be upgraded to support this and these costs will be past on. If you don't think so.. you are crazy. Hell, I got a $2.50 a month hike for Regional Sports Fee this year because Fox, NBC (Comcast) and ESPN (ABC) are claiming Cable companies can't do la carte when it comes to their products. So if you want ABC, FOX or NBC (Comcast) owned channels, you have to pay the RSF or lose the channels. Then every cable company has hiked their modem fees in 2015.

    Even the LA times ran this article in April.
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    Re: Net Neutrality Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Net Neutrality Goes Into Effect: What Consumers Should Expect - Forbes

    If you havent already you can read the entire 400 pages of rulings by the FCC where they unilaterally declared that they have the power to regulate the internet.

    http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Rele...CC-15-24A1.pdf

    Not a court, or a democratically chosen body, but a bunch of bureaucrats. But anyway, its too late. The internet is now under the observation of the US govt and theyve come to help. Expect higher prices, stifled innovation, and govt monopolies.
    Yes, the internet was such a disappointment. I'd hear people talking all day about how we need government to get involved, since the internet wasn't doing very well (other than exploding across the globe) and we know that once the government sticks it's big, iron fist in things, they always get so much better.

    I can't wait for the cheaper, faster internet that is sure to be the result of this action. Blah.
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    Re: Net Neutrality Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    There will be compliance cost for these two reasons.

    1) No more routing (shaping) traffic. I.E. someone downloading a video vs someone checking email (packet priority).
    Not actually correct.

    2) FCC's new definition of broadband (25/3).
    Why does this raise costs?

    Local areas have to be upgraded to support this and these costs will be past on. If you don't think so.. you are crazy. Hell, I got a $2.50 a month hike for Regional Sports Fee this year because Fox, NBC (Comcast) and ESPN (ABC) are claiming Cable companies can't do la carte when it comes to their products. So if you want ABC, FOX or NBC (Comcast) owned channels, you have to pay the RSF or lose the channels. Then every cable company has hiked their modem fees in 2015.

    Even the LA times ran this article in April.
    The FCC has specifically declined to assess this fee.
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    Re: Net Neutrality Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I'm not exactly sure what they need to comply with that is going to cost so much money. It's not like they can actually hide the throttling itself or build any new infrastructure to monitor it, or even so much as create any new software to ensure throttling isn't happening. So what the hell do they need to comply with other than not charging people depending on the content that they view?
    Ah, yes, you are one of those people that assumes the current internet backbone can support 100% net neutrality. Cable Companies (use to since rules became official yesterday) pay companies like Level 3 for priority vs non priority. Basically what it was that Cable company A forward certain types of packets (priority) and route the rest around it's hubs before it would send it to say Level 3. So they got biggest bang for their buck (business customers would be happy and those Netflix hogs would be pissed off). Now there is no priority so a company like Level 3 and your Cable Company has to expand it's capabilities to handle it.

    Think of it this way.. remember the California electricity crisis? Companies then were actually tampering with supply vs demand. You had rolling blackouts and such. Enron being the biggest offender. Today with the internet it's the opposite. Companies are in a situation where demand is outpacing supply and the upgrade time is about 2 years in time. DOCSIS 3.1 will help but we are 2 years before that happens.

    Now don't get me wrong, I am not happy about my crappy 16/1 but I live in Ohio and Ohio has been the red headed step child of every Cable Company who's had a foot print. Insight upgraded DOCSIS 3.0 but its other services weren't upgraded so for the last 2 years Time Warner has been trying to upgrade it.. Time Warner had to rebuild Insights systems in Columbus and surrounding areas. So now I can upgrade to 50/5 internet and get Time Warner features. While other Time Warner areas are getting options of 300/20 internet and I was flat out told it won't be until 2017 in Columbus before its an option because they have to lay a whole new network.
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    Re: Net Neutrality Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Not actually correct.
    How is that not correct? Is that not Net Neutrality? Treating all packets equally?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Why does this raise costs?
    It raises cost because the old standard of 4/1 was just increased by 5 fold/3 fold. That means to qualify in selling broadband you need to meet that standard. Means more lines need to be ran. You think lines are laid for free? Hubs are build for free? No, it will go to the consumers. Areas in yellow meet the standards.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The FCC has specifically declined to assess this fee.
    As of yet. Last year what the FCC did was hike phone fees to negate hikes for the first few years.
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    Re: Net Neutrality Goes Into Effect

    As the conventional Internet starts to suffer, people will simply turn away from it, to other networking technologies.

    Particularly, private, dedicated, fiber optic and low power, massively distributed, WiFi (below the FCC regulation RF emissions limit ) LANs, instead of Coaxial IP WANs.

    Wealthy neighborhoods, and upscale apartment buildings will start offering LANs to have private, unregulated, unmonitored communications between well-to-do people, and the common man will be shut out.

    Financial Trading will begin to occur, between the people with true-Wealth to trade, within these dedicated, private, LAN networks, and along with it will be unlimited, uncensored Political discourse.

    As the technology gains usage by the wealthy elite, it will get cheaper to buy, because allot more of it is being manufactured.

    As the technology get cheaper, many common people, interested in un-throttled MMO Gaming access, will adopt these LANs for circles of friends to game together.

    As the common people begin to invest in the LAN tech for gaming, they will also begin to use the freedom to have un-Leftie-Censored Political Discourse.

    The Lefties seem to think that "Net-Neutrality" is going to give them a backdoor opportunity to shut down all of that Politically Incorrect discourse, giving them censorship control of political speech and thought.

    The PC Censorship of the Internet will drive people to escape the Internet, in the same way that the PC Censorship of the MSM media drove people away from the MSM into Internet Blogs and News forums.

    The PC Censorship will fail!

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    Re: Net Neutrality Goes Into Effect

    The problem is not so much about this regulation. It is about all the future regulations that will occur now that the government has decided to mess with it.

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    Re: Net Neutrality Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Net Neutrality Goes Into Effect: What Consumers Should Expect - Forbes

    If you havent already you can read the entire 400 pages of rulings by the FCC where they unilaterally declared that they have the power to regulate the internet.

    http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Rele...CC-15-24A1.pdf

    Not a court, or a democratically chosen body, but a bunch of bureaucrats. But anyway, its too late. The internet is now under the observation of the US govt and theyve come to help. Expect higher prices, stifled innovation, and govt monopolies.
    We already have higher prices, stifled innovation, govt-subsidized monopolies (i. e. Comcast).

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