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    Re: Net Neutrality Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    They can still charge. They just cant charge some people more for specialized usage. Like version tried to do with netflix I think it was. They developed a special onramp with faster access for their users. And the govt struck it down.


    The netflix comcast fiasco, actually had to do with peers. nothing to do with net neutrality, though the media ran with it.


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    Re: Net Neutrality Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Cable Companies are the telecom companies. Its all the same thing. Furthermore, as you say, the backbone was a partnership, with private money, corporations providing the majority of the funds, technology and labor. The NSF did the paperwork. And this was all back in the early 90s. The current backbone which we use was built and run by telecoms/cablecoms.
    Cable Companies aren't telecom. Nowhere close. Telecoms like AT&T and Verizon laid the modern era backbone. AT&T was split up by the Government.. and ironically Verizon was formerly part of AT&T. As a Libertarian I am all for competition. But don't mistake your choices with competition. They all use the same line and many of them use each other lines in quid pro quo. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. But the problem is the fact that we have a backbone that can support 50/5 for everybody in the US but Cable Companies drag their feet in upgrading.
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    Re: Net Neutrality Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    The netflix comcast fiasco, actually had to do with peers. nothing to do with net neutrality, though the media ran with it.
    That is true. AT&T and Cogent always has screwed me as a Time Warner customer.
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    Re: Net Neutrality Goes Into Effect

    Net neutrality also prevents these ISP companies removing a lot of the competition for financial gain... dominance. It has a lot of beneficial implications for start up businesses and the consumer...

    For example they cannot do a secret pact to ensure that they are the only ISP's available to the market. Throttling can be used in VERY financial ways...
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    Re: Net Neutrality Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    The netflix comcast fiasco, actually had to do with peers. nothing to do with net neutrality, though the media ran with it.
    The story went that they were doing this... Net Neutrality Lawsuit: TWC to be slapped with net neutrality lawsuit | BGR

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    Re: Net Neutrality Goes Into Effect

    The people who think the Internet market is a free market now are kidding themselves. When Comcast and TW wanted to merge a point Comcast made to allow the merger was that 'Comcast and TW really don't compete now'..

    How is that possible? How does the #1 and #2 Cable companies NOT compete against either other? There's only 1 way, collusion. They've carved up the country and the neighborhoods so they don't to compete against each other. Which allows them to keep it's customers service crappy while raising prices. And it allows them to drag their feet on offering good, inexpensive internet service. Without the government stepping in things would only get worse.

    Free market my ass.
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    Re: Net Neutrality Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Comcast PAYS billions in taxes. They are subsidizing the govt.
    Uh, no.

    MATH 101--if you get more than what you pay out, then you are getting welfare, not giving it.

    Comcast's NET federal benefit = the total additional profits made from the ability to obtain a near-monopoly of the industry as a result of the subsidies and competition-shielding legislation (which were not available to local broadband competitors) - the total federal taxes it pays > 0.

    So Comcast is a welfare bum .

    In a free market, it is illegal for any govt. to provide special benefits (subsidies, competition shields, etc.) to any business.

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    Re: Net Neutrality Goes Into Effect

    It all boils down to a basic Libertarian principle--if you own it, you must control it.

    Had Comcast become what it is today solely through the fruits of its own labor, receiving no special tax/legal benefits that were not available to any of its competitors, then any form of federal regulation of it (i. e. Net Neutrality) would be inappropriate.

    But since taxpayers subsidized Comcast and paid for the enforcement of laws banning competitors (i. e. local municipalities) from entering the market, they (we) have a right to determine how it can run its business.

    THE END.

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    Re: Net Neutrality Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    The netflix comcast fiasco, actually had to do with peers. nothing to do with net neutrality, though the media ran with it.
    Same difference. Govt stopping innovation.

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    Re: Net Neutrality Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Cable Companies aren't telecom. Nowhere close. Telecoms like AT&T and Verizon laid the modern era backbone. AT&T was split up by the Government.. and ironically Verizon was formerly part of AT&T. As a Libertarian I am all for competition. But don't mistake your choices with competition. They all use the same line and many of them use each other lines in quid pro quo. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. But the problem is the fact that we have a backbone that can support 50/5 for everybody in the US but Cable Companies drag their feet in upgrading.
    Youre stuck in the weeds. Theyre all media companies. Doesnt matter whether the cable has 4 wires or 8.

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