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    Tamir Rice: judge finds cause for murder charge over police killing of 12-year-old | US news | The Guardian

    Just saw this on my local news as well (Channel 12, CBS, Cincinnati)

    Judge Ronald Adrine of the Cleveland Municipal Court said there were grounds to prosecute Officer Timothy Loehmann with murder....

    I don't know if murder is going to fly but the shooting looked really bad and charges should be brought as well as a massive law suit
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

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    Tamir Rice: judge finds cause for murder charge over police killing of 12-year-old | US news | The Guardian

    Just saw this on my local news as well (Channel 12, CBS, Cincinnati)

    Judge Ronald Adrine of the Cleveland Municipal Court said there were grounds to prosecute Officer Timothy Loehmann with murder....

    I don't know if murder is going to fly but the shooting looked really bad and charges should be brought as well as a massive law suit
    Of all the apparently egregious acts of violence with cops in the spotlight, this one seems the most obvious in its egregiousness. I am wondering if this thread will actually have a counterpoint and debate (other than about how severe a charge is appropriate) or whether the lion's share of posters here will affirm your observations?

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Of all the apparently egregious acts of violence with cops in the spotlight, this one seems the most obvious in its egregiousness. I am wondering if this thread will actually have a counterpoint and debate (other than about how severe a charge is appropriate) or whether the lion's share of posters here will affirm your observations?
    we just had a protest in cincinnati. a rookie cop and his training officer were called to a residence where a convicted drug dealer was fatally shot. The officer and the victim were both black and the evidence appears to be on the cops' side as one officer was trying to hold on to the barrel of the 22 caliber rifle (appeared to be a Ruger 10-22-a very common plinking and small game rifle) that the deceased was holding and during the struggle, the other officer shot the suspect)

    cops do the right thing and there are protests. Cops do the wrong thing and there are protests. the cleveland shooting stunk. the officers were in their car which is far different than a close quarters struggle with a large adult and a rifle.

    I used to handle defense of police shootings while in private practice (had the insurance company covering three major LE agencies) and then in the public sector with the DOJ.

    we have people who protest the cops anytime someone is shot-especially a black
    and we have people who figure anyone the cops shoot is a mope and deserved it

    I can tell you the shooting of this boy in Cleveland was clearly illegal from what I saw
    I can tell you the shooting of that guy in a walmart or Kmart who was carrying a pellet rifle was pretty bad but some of the blame goes to the idiot who called the cops and said the deceased was threatening people with "an assault weapon" which was hyperbolic at best and more likely an outright lie

    however, some of the other police shootings-like the one that got things started in MO, appear to have been justified
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    It's hard because the police seemed to have acted way too fast without taking anything into consideration.

    But at the same time, the way that kid was pointing the pellet gun... And it's not like these things look like toys.

    I mean, look at the M1911 pellet gun.

    k2-_4a9e572d-c552-4068-a0e9-406a364aefce.v1.jpg

    It's definitely going to be tough. I don't know if murder is the right sentence though. And for that reason, I think that if he goes to court with a murder charge, it's most likely going to be dropped.
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    When I first heard about this tragic incident, I wasn't sure whose fault it was. Then as I heard more and more about it... I mean, literally two seconds from arrival to dead kid... there is now no doubt in my mind that this shooting was reckless, negligent and unprofessional. Not all the shootings where protests erupt are bad, but this one definitely was.

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    we just had a protest in cincinnati. a rookie cop and his training officer were called to a residence where a convicted drug dealer was fatally shot. The officer and the victim were both black and the evidence appears to be on the cops' side as one officer was trying to hold on to the barrel of the 22 caliber rifle (appeared to be a Ruger 10-22-a very common plinking and small game rifle) that the deceased was holding and during the struggle, the other officer shot the suspect)

    cops do the right thing and there are protests. Cops do the wrong thing and there are protests. the cleveland shooting stunk. the officers were in their car which is far different than a close quarters struggle with a large adult and a rifle.

    I used to handle defense of police shootings while in private practice (had the insurance company covering three major LE agencies) and then in the public sector with the DOJ.

    we have people who protest the cops anytime someone is shot-especially a black
    and we have people who figure anyone the cops shoot is a mope and deserved it

    I can tell you the shooting of this boy in Cleveland was clearly illegal from what I saw
    I can tell you the shooting of that guy in a walmart or Kmart who was carrying a pellet rifle was pretty bad but some of the blame goes to the idiot who called the cops and said the deceased was threatening people with "an assault weapon" which was hyperbolic at best and more likely an outright lie

    however, some of the other police shootings-like the one that got things started in MO, appear to have been justified
    True, but murder? Is there any other possible charge? Was the cop really looking to murder this kid or did he really feel that the public could have been in danger? The kid at one point in the video was aiming the gun down the street at something.
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Of all the apparently egregious acts of violence with cops in the spotlight, this one seems the most obvious in its egregiousness. I am wondering if this thread will actually have a counterpoint and debate (other than about how severe a charge is appropriate) or whether the lion's share of posters here will affirm your observations?
    I'm wondering why the guy shot a kid. I can't really open it. Tapatalk is a whore sometimes. I mean...was he just being a one bullet Barney dumb ass?
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    When I first heard about this tragic incident, I wasn't sure whose fault it was. Then as I heard more and more about it... I mean, literally two seconds from arrival to dead kid... there is now no doubt in my mind that this shooting was reckless, negligent and unprofessional. Not all the shootings where protests erupt are bad, but this one definitely was.
    I watched the tape about 12 times

    no doubt in my mind it was an improper shooting. If I was the attorney for cleveland I would have recommended

    1) fire the cop-then again, he already had been fired by another department and yet hired by Cleveland

    2) try to settle the case quickly-its gonna be about a 3-5 million dollar trial verdict if it goes to a jury
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    I'm wondering why the guy shot a kid. I can't really open it. Tapatalk is a whore sometimes. I mean...was he just being a one bullet Barney dumb ass?
    He was irrational and clearly went in guns blazing.

    On the other hand, the kid was holding something akin to this...

    k2-_4a9e572d-c552-4068-a0e9-406a364aefce.v1.jpg

    The cop is still going to get roasted. I'm just not sure if it's going to be murder 1 or 2 roasted. I was thinking more along the lines of manslaughter. Then again, I don't know **** about law since I'm not trained in it. But having read on what constitutes a first or second degree murder, I just can't say for sure that this cop MURDERED the child. People seem to forget that despite being a child, he was still holding a pellet gun that APPEARED to be a fully functional, lethal pistol, AND said child was, at one point, aiming said pistol down a street at something. Deliberately AIMING, not just holding.
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    we just had a protest in cincinnati. a rookie cop and his training officer were called to a residence where a convicted drug dealer was fatally shot. The officer and the victim were both black and the evidence appears to be on the cops' side as one officer was trying to hold on to the barrel of the 22 caliber rifle (appeared to be a Ruger 10-22-a very common plinking and small game rifle) that the deceased was holding and during the struggle, the other officer shot the suspect)

    cops do the right thing and there are protests. Cops do the wrong thing and there are protests. the cleveland shooting stunk. the officers were in their car which is far different than a close quarters struggle with a large adult and a rifle.

    I used to handle defense of police shootings while in private practice (had the insurance company covering three major LE agencies) and then in the public sector with the DOJ.

    we have people who protest the cops anytime someone is shot-especially a black
    and we have people who figure anyone the cops shoot is a mope and deserved it

    I can tell you the shooting of this boy in Cleveland was clearly illegal from what I saw
    I can tell you the shooting of that guy in a walmart or Kmart who was carrying a pellet rifle was pretty bad but some of the blame goes to the idiot who called the cops and said the deceased was threatening people with "an assault weapon" which was hyperbolic at best and more likely an outright lie

    however, some of the other police shootings-like the one that got things started in MO, appear to have been justified
    It is interesting which shootings engender the biggest protests. The ones I would THINK would cause the most uproar don't. I guess it all comes down to the personalities of people in a particular city.

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