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Tamir Rice:Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing 12 year-old[W:262]

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Blah blah blah more wordplay to try to insinuate that his parents arent a victim. Then you try to pretend to be empathetic by stating Tamir is a victim and his parents arent. You are trying to say that his mom has no sadness for his death and is a douche for suing the cops... I dont think its very convincing at all.

I think you are creating straw man arguments and assume a awful a lot. After all, I am not assuming anything about you and far as we all know, you could be a crack dealer since you are defending her so strongly. Go back and read the posts. This is just an alternate opinion, other than the one you want...which is focusing the entire blame on LE. Anyway, it is a free country...and when you become a parent, you will see the enormous feeling of responsibility and love that it takes to raise a child till adulthood.
 
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Most absurd post of them all...WOW. Here is the article again. Now justify why you as a parent would feel comfortable with your child playing there without you present.

Tamir Rice's neighborhood has history of gangs, violence | cleveland.com

You're more likely to have a child killed in that park by the police than by a gang. Children should avoid the police. If there are any police in that neighborhood then children should be trained to walk in the opposite direction OR cross the street so that they don't get intercepted by the police.
 
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You're more likely to have a child killed in that park by the police than by a gang. Children should avoid the police.

Bravo!! That is the answer...while we are at it, why don't we teach them to hate LE. That will solve all the problems with community relationships with LE. Better yet, let's get rid of LE and we can police ourselves!! Move to this neighborhood and report back how safe you feel there...

Cudell, Cleveland, OH Crime Rates & Statistics
 
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Bravo!! That is the answer...while we are at it, why don't we teach them to hate LE. That will solve all the problems with community relationships with LE. Better yet, let's get rid of LE and we can police ourselves!! Move to this neighborhood and report back how safe you feel there...

Cudell, Cleveland, OH Crime Rates & Statistics

But thats exactly the scenario in this scenario... This kid shuold have avoided this cop. And no gang members ever got him.... Its like you are immune to logic. Maybe you are wrong and the cop is 99% wrong? I say that its inhumane you think the mom wouldnt feel sorrow over her own kids death and you accuse me of being a crack head... lol man o man. You should prolly just stop posting.
 
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But thats exactly the scenario in this scenario... This kid shuold have avoided this cop. And no gang members ever got him.... Its like you are immune to logic. Maybe you are wrong and the cop is 99% wrong? I say that its inhumane you think the mom wouldnt feel sorrow over her own kids death and you accuse me of being a crack head... lol man o man. You should prolly just stop posting.

No, it really appears that you are immune to anything other than being apologetic to crime. You made a lot of assumptions, did I specifically say you are a crack head? Did I state that she didn't feel remorse to what happened to her son? You actually are very misinformed on this case and you are posting the most absurd posts I have ever read on a forum. You need to grow up. LOL.
 
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Bravo!! That is the answer...while we are at it, why don't we teach them to hate LE. That will solve all the problems with community relationships with LE. Better yet, let's get rid of LE and we can police ourselves!! Move to this neighborhood and report back how safe you feel there...

Cudell, Cleveland, OH Crime Rates & Statistics
The children of Cleveland would be safe to roam the streets and play outside with their toys. The Cleveland PD is full of cops who are mentally unstable and who beat women. Would you trust your child around a mentally unstable person with a gun or a masochist who beats women?
 
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The children of Cleveland would be safe to roam the streets and play outside with their toys. The Cleveland PD is full of cops who are mentally unstable and who beat women. Would you trust your child around a mentally unstable person with a gun or a masochist who beats women?

Surely you jest!! OMG!! I honestly do not know how to respond to this. Seriously?
 
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Surely you jest!! OMG!! I honestly do not know how to respond to this. Seriously?

You can concede defeat since it's clear that the police were more of a threat to Tamir Rice than gangs.
 
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You are speaking nonsense, as what happened years earlier has nothing to do with his reasonable response to the threat that Tamir presented.

Do you think he demonstrated proper tactics?
 
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The children of Cleveland would be safe to roam the streets and play outside with their toys. The Cleveland PD is full of cops who are mentally unstable and who beat women. Would you trust your child around a mentally unstable person with a gun or a masochist who beats women?

Evidence?
 
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Evidence?
You mean the evidence that the shooter was mentally unstable that's been submitted repeatedly or the evidence that the driver beat the crap out of a helpless woman? What kind of evidence do you need?
 
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You mean the evidence that the shooter was mentally unstable that's been submitted repeatedly or the evidence that the driver beat the crap out of a helpless woman? What kind of evidence do you need?

The evidence that the Cleveland department is filled with woman beaters and those other things you claimed.
 
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The evidence that the Cleveland department is filled with woman beaters and those other things you claimed.
Cleveland gets the reject cops that the other departments in the area don't want. That's proof enough for me. Taking into account that the Cleveland PD didn't even bother to do a rudimentary check on the shooter's employment history reinforces my point of view.
 
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Cleveland gets the reject cops that the other departments in the area don't want. That's proof enough for me. Taking into account that the Cleveland PD didn't even bother to do a rudimentary check on the shooter's employment history reinforces my point of view.

No. It really doesn't. You made a specific claim. Are you saying you don't have evidence that the department is FILLED with them?
 
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No. It really doesn't. You made a specific claim. Are you saying you don't have evidence that the department is FILLED with them?

When I called the Cleveland PD to find out how to get access to the personnel files of the entire department a woman who was slurring her speech answered. She said no questions and hung up on me. She sounded drunk or on meds but I wouldn't rule out a bad connection.

I could have tried again but navigating a government ivr system is too time consuming. I put more effort into it than it deserved. The cops didn't give Tamir the benefit of the doubt.
 
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When I called the Cleveland PD to find out how to get access to the personnel files of the entire department a woman who was slurring her speech answered. She said no questions and hung up on me. She sounded drunk or on meds but I wouldn't rule out a bad connection.

I could have tried again but navigating a government ivr system is too time consuming. I put more effort into it than it deserved. The cops didn't give Tamir the benefit of the doubt.

Evidence that the police department is filled with woman beaters and whatever else you accused them of?
 
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Tamir Rice: judge finds cause for murder charge over police killing of 12-year-old | US news | The Guardian

Just saw this on my local news as well (Channel 12, CBS, Cincinnati)

Judge Ronald Adrine of the Cleveland Municipal Court said there were grounds to prosecute Officer Timothy Loehmann with murder....

I don't know if murder is going to fly but the shooting looked really bad and charges should be brought as well as a massive law suit

I still think the blame lies with the driver. While I've had no problem criticising police, I don't think the shooter, oddly enough is necessarily to blame.

Now There are lots of things I don't know, but my understanding is that the shooter is the junior officer. I also assume that the driver, the senior officer, made the decision about how to approach the situation. Lastly I assume when the officer stepped from the vehicle the boy had the "gun" in his hands pointed in the general direction of the officer exiting the vehicle.

It was how the situation was approached that caused the boys death in my opinion, rather than a trigger hungry officer without any justification to shoot....

Now a lawsuit, without question.

Just my .02
 
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Do you think he demonstrated proper tactics?
You can not show that he didn't.
And his response to the threat that Tamir presented was proper.
 
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You can not show that he didn't.
And his response to the threat that Tamir presented was proper.

Actually I can. Would YOU drive right up on someone who has a loaded firearm after reports of "threatening with gun?"
 
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Actually I can. Would YOU drive right up on someone who has a loaded firearm after reports of "threatening with gun?"
I see you didn't pay attention to what was said. It was even underlined so you wouldn't miss it. :doh

But no, you actually can't.


He was not the driver. Duh!

And responding to the threat that Tamir presented would still be proper even had he been the driver.

So stop talking nonsense.
 
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I see you didn't pay attention to what was said. It was even underlined so you wouldn't miss it. :doh

But no, you actually can't.


He was not the driver. Duh!

And responding to the threat that Tamir presented would still be proper even had he been the driver.

So stop talking nonsense.

So was the action of the driver acceptable? Did the shooter already have his gun out? Now. Let me ask you:

How long between arrival and shot?

What command was issued?

And how did the kid respond?

Additionally: did dispatch fail to report all relevant details?
 
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So was the action of the driver acceptable?
Irrelevant to his reasonable response to the threat Tamir presented.


Did the shooter already have his gun out?
Irrelvant to his reasonable response to the threat Tamir presented.


How long between arrival and shot?

What command was issued?
Irrelevant to his reasonable response to the threat Tamir presented.


Additionally: did dispatch fail to report all relevant details?
Irrelevant to his reasonable response to the threat Tamir presented.


And how did the kid respond?
We can see in the video that he was grabbing for his gun which is just a confirmation of what the Officer supposedly said.
 
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