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Tamir Rice:Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing 12 year-old[W:262]

Re: Tamir Rice:Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing 12 year-ol...

I've seen several references to Tamir's mom on this thread. I guess I'm unclear what the problem is with her. According to the investigation, he spent most days at the community rec center, and he was right by there when shot. What's a better option for him during the day than the community center? When I was his age, I never spent any time at home when not in school. Either riding my bike, shooting BB guns in the nearby woods, fishing, or just wandering around with friends. I had safer options outside, but that's because I grew up in a wealthier and more rural area. But given his neighborhood, where should he go, or does he have to spend all day in his room reading literature for you to approve of her parenting.

You're blaming her for him waving around what was actually a toy given to him THAT DAY. Should Bad Mom have somehow divined from her Tarot cards that he got that gun? If not how does she find out that he has the gun and warn him not to play with it? What opportunity did Bad Mom have to intervene?

You don't understand the neighborhood where Tamir was killed...It is one of those where you don't stop at red lights. I used to drive through there everyday when I worked at a hospital around there. Now, if you were a parent...would you allow your 12 old to play there without you being present? You can't compare the safety of when you were a kid, if you do not understand what it is like in the inner city. I have spent 19 years working inner city hospitals...I have seen just about everything.

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/11/cleveland_neighborhood_where_t.html

I have seen a lot of kids like Tamir and their horrible Mothers. IMO, if you become a parent, it is your responsibility to keep them safe and protect them, the accountability for their safety rests on your shoulders and no one else. She was home during the shooting, her felony record prevented her from getting a job...she has a long record of arrests. She was a drug trafficker and had illegal weapon charges. I had the "bleeding heart empathy" for her at first, then one night at work, the black nurses were talking about her...as I work with a distant relative of Tamir's Mom. I am kind to what they had to say about her. I managed a residents clinic which was a free walk in clinic for vaccines and care, and the things I saw women do to their children has scared me for life and I had to resign. Even tho the care was free, I dealt with a population that was too lazy to even take their children to the doctor, even too lazy to apply and maintain Medicaid status. I saw a 5 year old with lice so bad, that the little girl was balding. The only reason the Mom sought care was because the school would not allow the child to return until the lice was resolved and she would not have the "free time" while he was in school. This is just one example as there are many more of what kids like Tamir suffer from. It just bothers me, when folks, usually the fringe left, rally around people like Tamir's Mom, but are adamant that it is always someone else's fault. In this case, accountability is spread, and women like Tamir's Mother are part of the problem. This is what you are defending, while blaming LE:

#TamirRice Mom Had Illegal Weapon Charge, Criminal Record - GotNews
Lawyer representing Tamir Rice's family defended boy's mom in drug trafficking case | cleveland.com

Would this be the type of woman you would want raising your kids?
 
Re: Tamir Rice:Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing 12 year-ol...

You don't understand the neighborhood where Tamir was killed...It is one of those where you don't stop at red lights. I used to drive through there everyday when I worked at a hospital around there. Now, if you were a parent...would you allow your 12 old to play there without you being present? You can't compare the safety of when you were a kid, if you do not understand what it is like in the inner city. I have spent 19 years working inner city hospitals...I have seen just about everything.

Tamir Rice's neighborhood has history of gangs, violence | cleveland.com

I have seen a lot of kids like Tamir and their horrible Mothers. IMO, if you become a parent, it is your responsibility to keep them safe and protect them, the accountability for their safety rests on your shoulders and no one else. She was home during the shooting, her felony record prevented her from getting a job...she has a long record of arrests. She was a drug trafficker and had illegal weapon charges. I had the "bleeding heart empathy" for her at first, then one night at work, the black nurses were talking about her...as I work with a distant relative of Tamir's Mom. I am kind to what they had to say about her. I managed a residents clinic which was a free walk in clinic for vaccines and care, and the things I saw women do to their children has scared me for life and I had to resign. Even tho the care was free, I dealt with a population that was too lazy to even take their children to the doctor, even too lazy to apply and maintain Medicaid status. I saw a 5 year old with lice so bad, that the little girl was balding. The only reason the Mom sought care was because the school would not allow the child to return until the lice was resolved and she would not have the "free time" while he was in school. This is just one example as there are many more of what kids like Tamir suffer from. It just bothers me, when folks, usually the fringe left, rally around people like Tamir's Mom, but are adamant that it is always someone else's fault. In this case, accountability is spread, and women like Tamir's Mother are part of the problem. This is what you are defending, while blaming LE:

#TamirRice Mom Had Illegal Weapon Charge, Criminal Record - GotNews
Lawyer representing Tamir Rice's family defended boy's mom in drug trafficking case | cleveland.com

Would this be the type of woman you would want raising your kids?

I can't speak to third or fourth hand information you hear from distant relatives of this woman, and apparently neither of us know her personally, and what else you saw of other parents in that area is not relevant. You don't like he was hanging out at the community rec center. Given his neighborhood, where would be a better place to hang out? I had a lot of safe options, and I'm asking what his options were in his neighborhood that you as a good mom would direct him to. The investigation and interviews indicate Tamir was a good kid, good grades, never had a run in with police, and behaved at the rec center. Maybe he did all that in spite of his mother, but his record doesn't damn her parenting.

And you posted an article about a gun charge. What you've not addressed is the gun was given to Tamir THAT DAY. Unless she's clairvoyant, I'm not sure how she's supposed to know he has it or act on that knowledge, but you're assuming that she knew or should have, and not acting killed him. If you want to allege it, provide some basis for it.

And I'm not blaming "law enforcement." I'm blaming one officer for his actions in one incident, and AN officer whose record indicates is incompetent and not emotionally able to handle the job and whose mistakes caused the death of a 12 year old who wasn't actually a threat to anyone. I don't buy the notion that if we hold AN officer accountable for his mistakes that we don't support "Law Enforcement." It's just crap.

If we have different ideas about the actions of that officer that day, fine, but you don't get to take that disagreement and assert that because I disagree with you that I don't respect "Law Enforcement." The equivalent is me concluding that because you support that officer that day that you don't care about black kids and are OK if white cops gun them down for any reason. I don't make that leap, so provide the same courtesy to the other side.
 
Re: Tamir Rice:Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing 12 year-ol...

You don't understand the neighborhood where Tamir was killed...It is one of those where you don't stop at red lights. I used to drive through there everyday when I worked at a hospital around there. Now, if you were a parent...would you allow your 12 old to play there without you being present? You can't compare the safety of when you were a kid, if you do not understand what it is like in the inner city. I have spent 19 years working inner city hospitals...I have seen just about everything.

Tamir Rice's neighborhood has history of gangs, violence | cleveland.com

I have seen a lot of kids like Tamir and their horrible Mothers. IMO, if you become a parent, it is your responsibility to keep them safe and protect them, the accountability for their safety rests on your shoulders and no one else. She was home during the shooting, her felony record prevented her from getting a job...she has a long record of arrests. She was a drug trafficker and had illegal weapon charges. I had the "bleeding heart empathy" for her at first, then one night at work, the black nurses were talking about her...as I work with a distant relative of Tamir's Mom. I am kind to what they had to say about her. I managed a residents clinic which was a free walk in clinic for vaccines and care, and the things I saw women do to their children has scared me for life and I had to resign. Even tho the care was free, I dealt with a population that was too lazy to even take their children to the doctor, even too lazy to apply and maintain Medicaid status. I saw a 5 year old with lice so bad, that the little girl was balding. The only reason the Mom sought care was because the school would not allow the child to return until the lice was resolved and she would not have the "free time" while he was in school. This is just one example as there are many more of what kids like Tamir suffer from. It just bothers me, when folks, usually the fringe left, rally around people like Tamir's Mom, but are adamant that it is always someone else's fault. In this case, accountability is spread, and women like Tamir's Mother are part of the problem. This is what you are defending, while blaming LE:

#TamirRice Mom Had Illegal Weapon Charge, Criminal Record - GotNews
Lawyer representing Tamir Rice's family defended boy's mom in drug trafficking case | cleveland.com

Would this be the type of woman you would want raising your kids?

I dont get why you spend so much time blaming the victims. Its very very wierd.
 
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I dont get why you spend so much time blaming the victims. Its very very wierd.

The true victim is Tamir....I would like to see where I posted that I blamed Tamir. What is truly weird is the inability to see fault or human error on all sides...which has been my position in this thread. This case is surrounded with human error and that includes his Mother. I will never lean so left, that I accept that only a few are accountable...such as the folks who CHOOSE to commit crimes versus the ones who CHOOSE to work. This is a great country that is full of opportunity...why place so much concern on those who choose to sell drugs instead of work. Tamir lost his life over decisions that he could not make. Most reasonable parents I know, know where their kids are at all times and what they are doing...especially at 12 years old.
 
Re: Tamir Rice:Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing 12 year-ol...

The true victim is Tamir....I would like to see where I posted that I blamed Tamir. What is truly weird is the inability to see fault or human error on all sides...which has been my position in this thread. This case is surrounded with human error and that includes his Mother. I will never lean so left, that I accept that only a few are accountable...such as the folks who CHOOSE to commit crimes versus the ones who CHOOSE to work. This is a great country that is full of opportunity...why place so much concern on those who choose to sell drugs instead of work. Tamir lost his life over decisions that he could not make. Most reasonable parents I know, know where their kids are at all times and what they are doing...especially at 12 years old.

He spent most afternoons out of school at or near the community rec center. Where in his neighborhood is a better place for him to stay out of trouble. Or should he stay in his room reading literature as the only acceptable 'reasonable parent' alternative?

He got the gun THAT DAY. How is Bad Mom supposed to know that?
 
Re: Tamir Rice:Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing 12 year-ol...

The true victim is Tamir....I would like to see where I posted that I blamed Tamir. What is truly weird is the inability to see fault or human error on all sides...which has been my position in this thread. This case is surrounded with human error and that includes his Mother. I will never lean so left, that I accept that only a few are accountable...such as the folks who CHOOSE to commit crimes versus the ones who CHOOSE to work. This is a great country that is full of opportunity...why place so much concern on those who choose to sell drugs instead of work. Tamir lost his life over decisions that he could not make. Most reasonable parents I know, know where their kids are at all times and what they are doing...especially at 12 years old.

Why are you bringing up thugs and workers and society contributes after making it seem like you have empathy for Tamir. A kid should be able to play at any park he wants at the age of 12... 12 is the age of curfews and being home on time. The only criminal I see here is the cop that shot him, probably because the cop has a huge subconscious "thug" bias. His family is also the victim i dont know why you are trying to blame them.
 
Re: Tamir Rice:Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing 12 year-ol...

I can't speak to third or fourth hand information you hear from distant relatives of this woman, and apparently neither of us know her personally, and what else you saw of other parents in that area is not relevant. You don't like he was hanging out at the community rec center. Given his neighborhood, where would be a better place to hang out? I had a lot of safe options, and I'm asking what his options were in his neighborhood that you as a good mom would direct him to. The investigation and interviews indicate Tamir was a good kid, good grades, never had a run in with police, and behaved at the rec center. Maybe he did all that in spite of his mother, but his record doesn't damn her parenting.

And you posted an article about a gun charge. What you've not addressed is the gun was given to Tamir THAT DAY. Unless she's clairvoyant, I'm not sure how she's supposed to know he has it or act on that knowledge, but you're assuming that she knew or should have, and not acting killed him. If you want to allege it, provide some basis for it.

And I'm not blaming "law enforcement." I'm blaming one officer for his actions in one incident, and AN officer whose record indicates is incompetent and not emotionally able to handle the job and whose mistakes caused the death of a 12 year old who wasn't actually a threat to anyone. I don't buy the notion that if we hold AN officer accountable for his mistakes that we don't support "Law Enforcement." It's just crap.

If we have different ideas about the actions of that officer that day, fine, but you don't get to take that disagreement and assert that because I disagree with you that I don't respect "Law Enforcement." The equivalent is me concluding that because you support that officer that day that you don't care about black kids and are OK if white cops gun them down for any reason. I don't make that leap, so provide the same courtesy to the other side.

I think if you go back and read the threads instead of focusing on a person who most of us would not even allow in our homes, you would see that the cop is just as much to blame in this case as anyone else. Tamir traded a smart phone for the gun that day from another kid...if she would have been with him that day, she could have prevented it. Her parenting became relevant the day she decided to sue the City of Cleveland for millions, she placed herself in the spotlight. I pay hefty taxes to the City of Cleveland since most of my income comes from that City...I have a right to know where my tax dollars are going. I can't imagine worrying about a getting paid when I have not even buried my son yet. Just maybe, his Mother could have maintained a clean criminal record, so she could work and remove her son from that neighborhood instead of selling crack. My parents were dirt poor when we migrated from the South to give my sister and I a better life...he left with only 500.00 in his pocket, got a job and provided a good middle class life for us. Why is she any different? The difference is, my Dad worked and she took the easy way out...selling dope. Again...human failure caused the death of Tamir Rice, accountability involves parental supervision as well. I think I am a little closer to this case than you are...I still work in the trenches of the inner city, by choice because I think I can make a difference. Other folks sit on the sidelines and point to blame based on their personal agendas. I think Criminals are becoming the new American hero in this country because the left fails to see all sides. IMO, LE don't earn enough money to police neighborhoods like this one...but they choose to do it and that is why we should get off the band wagon of persecuting cops and look at the total picture. It will take effort and hard work to turn these cities around and LE cannot do it on their own. Starting in the neighborhoods is a good place to start.
 
Re: Tamir Rice:Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing 12 year-ol...

I think if you go back and read the threads instead of focusing on a person who most of us would not even allow in our homes, you would see that the cop is just as much to blame in this case as anyone else. Tamir traded a smart phone for the gun that day from another kid...if she would have been with him that day, she could have prevented it. Her parenting became relevant the day she decided to sue the City of Cleveland for millions, she placed herself in the spotlight. I pay hefty taxes to the City of Cleveland since most of my income comes from that City...I have a right to know where my tax dollars are going. I can't imagine worrying about a getting paid when I have not even buried my son yet. Just maybe, his Mother could have maintained a clean criminal record, so she could work and remove her son from that neighborhood instead of selling crack. My parents were dirt poor when we migrated from the South to give my sister and I a better life...he left with only 500.00 in his pocket, got a job and provided a good middle class life for us. Why is she any different? The difference is, my Dad worked and she took the easy way out...selling dope. Again...human failure caused the death of Tamir Rice, accountability involves parental supervision as well. I think I am a little closer to this case than you are...I still work in the trenches of the inner city, by choice because I think I can make a difference. Other folks sit on the sidelines and point to blame based on their personal agendas. I think Criminals are becoming the new American hero in this country because the left fails to see all sides. IMO, LE don't earn enough money to police neighborhoods like this one...but they choose to do it and that is why we should get off the band wagon of persecuting cops and look at the total picture. It will take effort and hard work to turn these cities around and LE cannot do it on their own. Starting in the neighborhoods is a good place to start.

The only person to blame for Tamir death is the cop that shot him.
 
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Why are you bringing up thugs and workers and society contributes after making it seem like you have empathy for Tamir. A kid should be able to play at any park he wants at the age of 12... 12 is the age of curfews and being home on time. The only criminal I see here is the cop that shot him, probably because the cop has a huge subconscious "thug" bias. His family is also the victim i dont know why you are trying to blame them.

Play with this:
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Yes. His mother should have taught her kid that playing with a real looking gun in a public place is BAD.
 
Re: Tamir Rice:Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing 12 year-ol...

Why are you bringing up thugs and workers and society contributes after making it seem like you have empathy for Tamir. A kid should be able to play at any park he wants at the age of 12... 12 is the age of curfews and being home on time. The only criminal I see here is the cop that shot him, probably because the cop has a huge subconscious "thug" bias. His family is also the victim i dont know why you are trying to blame them.

When you become a parent, you will realize what I am saying. The park is riddled with gang violence and guns. Is this the environment you see your future or current children playing? Read the article I posted about the neighborhood and decide if you would allow you kids to play there unsupervised. In a perfect world, a child should be able to play where they want...but not all areas are considered perfect worlds and it is a parents job to protect them from the imperfections. A gang banger could have saw Tamir with the gun that day...and he would have been killed. You just don't know, so why take the chance. The Mom knew what was going on in that neighborhood...if she is intelligent enough to convert grams of cocaine into a 8 ball, she can read the news. The violence in that neighborhood is nothing new and easy to understand.
 
Re: Tamir Rice:Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing 12 year-ol...

I think if you go back and read the threads instead of focusing on a person who most of us would not even allow in our homes, you would see that the cop is just as much to blame in this case as anyone else. Tamir traded a smart phone for the gun that day from another kid...if she would have been with him that day, she could have prevented it. Her parenting became relevant the day she decided to sue the City of Cleveland for millions, she placed herself in the spotlight. I pay hefty taxes to the City of Cleveland since most of my income comes from that City...I have a right to know where my tax dollars are going. I can't imagine worrying about a getting paid when I have not even buried my son yet. Just maybe, his Mother could have maintained a clean criminal record, so she could work and remove her son from that neighborhood instead of selling crack. My parents were dirt poor when we migrated from the South to give my sister and I a better life...he left with only 500.00 in his pocket, got a job and provided a good middle class life for us. Why is she any different? The difference is, my Dad worked and she took the easy way out...selling dope. Again...human failure caused the death of Tamir Rice, accountability involves parental supervision as well. I think I am a little closer to this case than you are...I still work in the trenches of the inner city, by choice because I think I can make a difference. Other folks sit on the sidelines and point to blame based on their personal agendas. I think Criminals are becoming the new American hero in this country because the left fails to see all sides. IMO, LE don't earn enough money to police neighborhoods like this one...but they choose to do it and that is why we should get off the band wagon of persecuting cops and look at the total picture. It will take effort and hard work to turn these cities around and LE cannot do it on their own. Starting in the neighborhoods is a good place to start.

12 year olds do not need parental supervision at a park.... The murderer to fear on this day was a cop... The kid wasnt scared of gansters. Guess he should have been scared of the cop and ran home to mommy as soon as he seen the cop showing up. It is impossible to monitor a kid 100% of the time. And if you do then you arent raising them right. They are going to have some issues integrating into society if they need to bring their mommy on their first date. Kid was playing in a park, where kids are supposed to play and some dip**** cop shot him. The end.

Kids will do stuff on their own. You cant blame the parents for that. Hell my little brother came home with an expensive looking Minecraft Guide (very popular game among little kids right now). I asked him where he got it. He said some girl in his class gave it to him. Asked if he traded her anything for it. He said 2 markers. (this is where I frowned) Was able to eventually deduce that HE was the one that initiated the trading process, not her and that either she was banished from using markers or she had a crush on him. Now my brother is a good, mostly honest kid but little kids will trick people for what they really, really want. And a replica gun is really, really cool. You cant blame the parents for this one at all. BTW i made my brother give the Guidebook back to the lil girl.

The cop is really the only person to blame.
 
Re: Tamir Rice:Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing 12 year-ol...

I think if you go back and read the threads instead of focusing on a person who most of us would not even allow in our homes, you would see that the cop is just as much to blame in this case as anyone else. Tamir traded a smart phone for the gun that day from another kid...if she would have been with him that day, she could have prevented it. Her parenting became relevant the day she decided to sue the City of Cleveland for millions, she placed herself in the spotlight. I pay hefty taxes to the City of Cleveland since most of my income comes from that City...I have a right to know where my tax dollars are going. I can't imagine worrying about a getting paid when I have not even buried my son yet. Just maybe, his Mother could have maintained a clean criminal record, so she could work and remove her son from that neighborhood instead of selling crack. My parents were dirt poor when we migrated from the South to give my sister and I a better life...he left with only 500.00 in his pocket, got a job and provided a good middle class life for us. Why is she any different? The difference is, my Dad worked and she took the easy way out...selling dope. Again...human failure caused the death of Tamir Rice, accountability involves parental supervision as well. I think I am a little closer to this case than you are...I still work in the trenches of the inner city, by choice because I think I can make a difference. Other folks sit on the sidelines and point to blame based on their personal agendas. I think Criminals are becoming the new American hero in this country because the left fails to see all sides. IMO, LE don't earn enough money to police neighborhoods like this one...but they choose to do it and that is why we should get off the band wagon of persecuting cops and look at the total picture. It will take effort and hard work to turn these cities around and LE cannot do it on their own. Starting in the neighborhoods is a good place to start.

OK, you seem to know things that aren't in the record and are basing your conclusions on that knowledge or assumptions or both. And I'm not focusing on Tamir's mom - I'm just responding to your baseless claims that blame her for his death. She might have been responsible, but I don't see that him being at the rec center is a failure of parenting or not knowing that he traded his phone for that gun THAT DAY. She couldn't have known.

But it's crap to say that questioning and holding police accountable when one of them shoots a 12 year old that we're "persecuting cops." No point arguing with that attitude. All you're saying is there is never an acceptable time to hold them accountable if they shoot a kid in a bad neighborhood. I don't agree and see no point engaging further.
 
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When you become a parent, you will realize what I am saying. The park is riddled with gang violence and guns. Is this the environment you see your future or current children playing? Read the article I posted about the neighborhood and decide if you would allow you kids to play there unsupervised. In a perfect world, a child should be able to play where they want...but not all areas are considered perfect worlds and it is a parents job to protect them from the imperfections. A gang banger could have saw Tamir with the gun that day...and he would have been killed. You just don't know, so why take the chance. The Mom knew what was going on in that neighborhood...if she is intelligent enough to convert grams of cocaine into a 8 ball, she can read the news. The violence in that neighborhood is nothing new and easy to understand.

You sound like a scardy cat. I grew up pretty much the only poor white person, in the desert right smack in the middle of nothing but mexicans. I used to go to the park by myself. All the mexicans kids picked on me and tried to beat me up. Gang members arent going to target little kids....

They are looking to either get a quick come up by robbing someone or feel powerful by beating up some other adult. You really think if some random gang member saw the replica that he would have shot Tamir? Like really? You must not interact with the bottom half of society... like at all. So go hide in your ivory tower and blame all parents that dont hide their kids in their tower with them. It wasnt gang members Tamir should have been scared of that day. It was a stupid, stupid unempathetic cop.

Gang members dont go around just targeting little kids on purpose. Not like this cop. Gang members are more like territorial dogs. The chances of them ****ing with your kid is probably around the same as any random person ****ing with your kid. Gang members dont walk around looking for kids to kill. You cant blame the parents for letting a kid go play at a park. Just stop. Obviously Tamir got out alive every other time he played at this park. Until this idiot cop deemed him a thug-gangster at first glance.

There is a park just 2 blocks from my house. Some teenager was shot to death at this park about a month ago. This kid was obviously BEING TARGETED when he was shot. But its also obvious that it was a freak occurance and people arent patrolling the park looking for someone to shoot. Some enemy of his just seen him there and took the opportunity. And now people let their kids play at this water park. Should CPS be called on all these parents letting their kids go to the park just because some horrible freak occurrence happened there?

You keep touting how his parents are negligent because he was playing in a dangerous place. But its the cops that executed him and a gangster never got to him before that! Unless your kid is mentally retarded he should be allowed to play on his own at 12. You go on to talk about his crack mamma when she has nothing to do with this incident. Stop blaming the victims.
 
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You sound like a scardy cat. I grew up pretty much the only poor white person, in the desert right smack in the middle of nothing but mexicans. I used to go to the park by myself. All the mexicans kids picked on me and tried to beat me up. Gang members arent going to target little kids....

They are looking to either get a quick come up by robbing someone or feel powerful by beating up some other adult. You really think if some random gang member saw the replica that he would have shot Tamir? Like really? You must not interact with the bottom half of society... like at all. So go hide in your ivory tower and blame all parents that dont hide their kids in their tower with them. It wasnt gang members Tamir should have been scared of that day. It was a stupid, stupid unempathetic cop.

Gang members dont go around just targeting little kids on purpose. Not like this cop. Gang members are more like territorial dogs. The chances of them ****ing with your kid is probably around the same as any random person ****ing with your kid. Gang members dont walk around looking for kids to kill. You cant blame the parents for letting a kid go play at a park. Just stop. Obviously Tamir got out alive every other time he played at this park. Until this idiot cop deemed him a thug-gangster at first glance.

There is a park just 2 blocks from my house. Some teenager was shot to death at this park about a month ago. This kid was obviously BEING TARGETED when he was shot. But its also obvious that it was a freak occurance and people arent patrolling the park looking for someone to shoot. Some enemy of his just seen him there and took the opportunity. And now people let their kids play at this water park. Should CPS be called on all these parents letting their kids go to the park just because some horrible freak occurrence happened there?

You keep touting how his parents are negligent because he was playing in a dangerous place. But its the cops that executed him and a gangster never got to him before that! Unless your kid is mentally retarded he should be allowed to play on his own at 12. You go on to talk about his crack mamma when she has nothing to do with this incident. Stop blaming the victims.

When you become a parent, you will realize the huge responsibility of raising a child. It is the hardest job in the world and it never ends. Unless you are a parent, you will never know what is the right or wrong way to raise them. Most of us do a pretty good job at this and have positive outcomes to prove it. Everything you state is based on inexperience and it is absurd. Good luck if you ever have kids...it involves a lot of worry and sleepless nights. Hardest job ever.
 
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OK, you seem to know things that aren't in the record and are basing your conclusions on that knowledge or assumptions or both. And I'm not focusing on Tamir's mom - I'm just responding to your baseless claims that blame her for his death. She might have been responsible, but I don't see that him being at the rec center is a failure of parenting or not knowing that he traded his phone for that gun THAT DAY. She couldn't have known.

But it's crap to say that questioning and holding police accountable when one of them shoots a 12 year old that we're "persecuting cops." No point arguing with that attitude. All you're saying is there is never an acceptable time to hold them accountable if they shoot a kid in a bad neighborhood. I don't agree and see no point engaging further.

Yea, I agree it is better to agree to disagree because you are only focused on one part of the problem. It never said once that we should not hold LE accountable for their actions...you are interjecting that because you are blinded to the problem..and you just want to see the drama. I have not said one nice thing about the cop who killed Tamir, he was unfit to do his job and was hired anyway. We have a problem in this country with LE relationships and I think the problem is more than "douche bag" cops...it is society as a whole. If you or anyone else choose to allow a 12 years old to play in a park that is riddled with violence, than you have the right to do so...the US is a free country. When that child gets hurt or killed, you have no one to blame but yourself because you were aware of the problems that could happen. I think when you become a parent, you will see things a lot differently. I am not the only one who feels this way, many parents do, especially the AA Mothers who chose a different path for their kids. They are the worst critics of this case.
 
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Yea, I agree it is better to agree to disagree because you are only focused on one part of the problem. It never said once that we should not hold LE accountable for their actions...you are interjecting that because you are blinded to the problem..and you just want to see the drama. I have not said one nice thing about the cop who killed Tamir, he was unfit to do his job and was hired anyway. We have a problem in this country with LE relationships and I think the problem is more than "douche bag" cops...it is society as a whole. If you or anyone else choose to allow a 12 years old to play in a park that is riddled with violence, than you have the right to do so...the US is a free country. When that child gets hurt or killed, you have no one to blame but yourself because you were aware of the problems that could happen. I think when you become a parent, you will see things a lot differently. I am not the only one who feels this way, many parents do, especially the AA Mothers who chose a different path for their kids. They are the worst critics of this case.

Ok so you think its the parents fault that some douchebag cop shot the kid... Gotcha. Will disregard all your future posts.
 
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Car accidents are the number 1 killer of children. So if you drive in a car with your child and are hit and your child dies you have no one to blame but yourself because you are aware of the danger of driving a car with a child, right?
 
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Car accidents are the number 1 killer of children. So if you drive in a car with your child and are hit and your child dies you have no one to blame but yourself because you are aware of the danger of driving a car with a child, right?

Cars are different and are a necessity of life....many use this one to support the 2A...same logic applies here. We need car's to haul kids around all evening after school...LOL. Playing in a dangerous park is a different scenario. Now, if you are negligent while driving the car...then you are accountable. We all parent differently, this is just my opinion on the case, nothing more. Parenting is a reflection on Parents. We do live in a free society where we can express opinions and not every one is going to agree with you.
 
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Ok so you think its the parents fault that some douchebag cop shot the kid... Gotcha. Will disregard all your future posts.

Yes..please do. Your posts are sickening. :peace
 
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Cars are different and are a necessity of life....many use this one to support the 2A...same logic applies here. We need car's to haul kids around all evening after school...LOL. Playing in a dangerous park is a different scenario. Now, if you are negligent while driving the car...then you are accountable. We all parent differently, this is just my opinion on the case, nothing more. Parenting is a reflection on Parents. We do live in a free society where we can express opinions and not every one is going to agree with you.

Playing in that specific park is safer than driving on the freeway. I guess this makes you a horrible parent.
 
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Yea, I agree it is better to agree to disagree because you are only focused on one part of the problem. It never said once that we should not hold LE accountable for their actions...you are interjecting that because you are blinded to the problem..and you just want to see the drama.

No, you just said this:

IMO, LE don't earn enough money to police neighborhoods like this one...but they choose to do it and that is why we should get off the band wagon of persecuting cops and look at the total picture.

And this:

This [bad parents]is what you are defending, while blaming LE:

And this:

I tell you what...when someone steals your car, or hurts one of your loved ones...call a criminal..LOL. This is not victim blaming at all...it is part of the solution to a huge problem. We can sit back and bash the folks who protect...or we can rally around the ones who are criminals.

And of course I've never said anything at all derogatory against "Law enforcement." So you've invented straw men and then object when I argue against the straw men you invented.

I have not said one nice thing about the cop who killed Tamir, he was unfit to do his job and was hired anyway. We have a problem in this country with LE relationships and I think the problem is more than "douche bag" cops...it is society as a whole. If you or anyone else choose to allow a 12 years old to play in a park that is riddled with violence, than you have the right to do so...the US is a free country. When that child gets hurt or killed, you have no one to blame but yourself because you were aware of the problems that could happen. I think when you become a parent, you will see things a lot differently. I am not the only one who feels this way, many parents do, especially the AA Mothers who chose a different path for their kids. They are the worst critics of this case.

I'm trying to understand a little better and asked two simple questions. Where should he go if not for the rec center and the nearby park? And how could his mom have known he traded his phone for a gun?

And he was killed by a cop in that park. I'd understand if he'd been caught in the crossfire of a drug deal (I watched 30 minutes of tape and didn't see another soul on camera except some guy sitting at the Gazebo), but I don't actually think that any mother should expect that her son will be killed by POLICE at a local park. Give me a break.
 
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Again. Irrelevant to the response that we can see was made to the gun Tamir was reaching for.


No. Unable to confirm does not mean contradiction.
A witness hearing more shots than fired is not a contradiction but an impossibility and speaks to their mishearing what happened.




That is your own bias speaking.
What happened in the past is irrelevant to his response to the threat that Tamir presented.

That said.

I would be willing to bet that most folks who break down over relationship problems get over it and do not let is effect their duties years later.


So suggesting that such an event that happened years in the past somehow had an affected his response to the threat that Tamir presented, is absurd.

Look. There is only ONE way to handle a firearm...and it is NOT weepy. The same can be said for an officer. You don't want a distracted and weepy officer. The past IS a factor. Just like with mass shooters. They frequently have mental instability in their background.

The guy showed a particular trait that was not exactly a good one. He later shoots a kid who literally DOES NOT pull the gun. The speed of which this takes place is not exactly indicative of a rational mind. Especially the whole driving right up on an armed individual.

I'm not calling this murder. I'm calling it negligence.
 
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No, you just said this:



And this:



And this:



And of course I've never said anything at all derogatory against "Law enforcement." So you've invented straw men and then object when I argue against the straw men you invented.



I'm trying to understand a little better and asked two simple questions. Where should he go if not for the rec center and the nearby park? And how could his mom have known he traded his phone for a gun?

And he was killed by a cop in that park. I'd understand if he'd been caught in the crossfire of a drug deal (I watched 30 minutes of tape and didn't see another soul on camera except some guy sitting at the Gazebo), but I don't actually think that any mother should expect that her son will be killed by POLICE at a local park. Give me a break.

We have a movement that is blaming LE for all of these shootings and incidents. You seem to fall lock and step in that movement. You also quote mined and said that I "victim" blamed and I do not blame Tamir. He was a kid and was caught up in a scenario that could have been prevented on all sides. A park that has the history of that one...gives a parent reasonable cause to supervise play there...anyone that is a parent knows this. If his Mom was with him, she would have seen the trade of the gun and stopped it. If you feel comfortable allowing a 12 year old to play in a park like this one, without your supervision, it is your right. Go back to the article that I posted about the location and let us know if you would allow YOUR child to play there. There are other options a parent can do, such as play with them, obtain a free membership at the YMCA, (they have programs) and use play time there, enroll them in sports or after school activities..the possibilities are limitless if you do not work and have the time to take them and it doesn't take a lot of money, just time, and the Mom was home at the time.
 
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I'm not calling this murder. I'm calling it negligence.
You are speaking nonsense, as what happened years earlier has nothing to do with his reasonable response to the threat that Tamir presented.
 
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We have a movement that is blaming LE for all of these shootings and incidents. You seem to fall lock and step in that movement. You also quote mined and said that I "victim" blamed and I do not blame Tamir. He was a kid and was caught up in a scenario that could have been prevented on all sides. A park that has the history of that one...gives a parent reasonable cause to supervise play there...anyone that is a parent knows this. If his Mom was with him, she would have seen the trade of the gun and stopped it. If you feel comfortable allowing a 12 year old to play in a park like this one, without your supervision, it is your right. Go back to the article that I posted about the location and let us know if you would allow YOUR child to play there. There are other options a parent can do, such as play with them, obtain a free membership at the YMCA, (they have programs) and use play time there, enroll them in sports or after school activities..the possibilities are limitless if you do not work and have the time to take them and it doesn't take a lot of money, just time, and the Mom was home at the time.

Blah blah blah more wordplay to try to insinuate that his parents arent a victim. Then you try to pretend to be empathetic by stating Tamir is a victim and his parents arent. You are trying to say that his mom has no sadness for his death and is a douche for suing the cops... I dont think its very convincing at all.
 
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