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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    The kid was reaching as the Officer said he was, which is an imminent threat.
    His response to a lethal threat with lethal force was appropriate, as such his life should not be put in jeopardy for acting appropriately.

    As for the way the driver approached. And? That may or may be a reason to give him more training, but does not negate the other Officer's correct action in responding to the threat.
    Bull****. This wasn't legal by any means. The cop drove up and shot no questions asked.

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    The police never saw the tip, because Tamir Rice never withdrew the toy from within his waistband. So your point is moot.
    Lol, also the gun wasn't even his and the orange tip had been removed before it was given to him. Ludin's just flat out lying and it's absolutely funny watching people circle wagons around his lies.
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    If I'm reading Ohio murder statutes correctly then they could come up with a first degree (Aggravated Murder) charge as Rice was under the age of 13. They would need to prove that the cops actions were intentional and that may be difficult. However, if this gets in front of a jury I figure that Reckless Homicide is a given.

    You also mentioned Zimmerman and I just want to note that his situation was somewhat different in that he had no idea that he was going into a potentially deadly situation. That's a significant distinction.
    Sure. I am more referring to the whole making a stupid decision thing. Or a stupid assumption.
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Bull****. This wasn't legal by any means. The cop drove up and shot no questions asked.

    You'll be amazed at how many 12 year olds will listen to an authority figure as compared to a more defiant adult.
    Again if all comes down to the video really. I still can't pull it up. I haven't been to a computer yet though. They block it at my office. But if the kid make actions reaching for the weapon...well the officer has a right to be worried.

    This stuff is very convoluted. The gun damn sure looked real to me.
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Again if all comes down to the video really. I still can't pull it up. I haven't been to a computer yet though. They block it at my office. But if the kid make actions reaching for the weapon...well the officer has a right to be worried.

    This stuff is very convoluted. The gun damn sure looked real to me.
    Question - If the police were so terrified, why did they roll up so close to the boy? Couldn't they simply stop a few yards away and yell out for the boy to drop the supposed firearm?
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Question - If the police were so terrified, why did they roll up so close to the boy? Couldn't they simply stop a few yards away and yell out for the boy to drop the supposed firearm?
    Exactly. I know here police cars have loudspeakers for just that reason can't say for sure if that car had it or not but yelling would have been just as effective instead of just pulling up and shooting.
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Yea. That damn sure looks real. And in the time of mass shootings being common? I would understand being paranoid about it. But then again...game wardens approach armed people all the time without shooting them.

    Maybe we should stop hiring cops who have never fired a gun before?
    People have been shot and killed for pulling a cell phone before. All this of late has taught me to be prepared to behave differently then in the past if I ever have an interaction with police, even if its just a traffic issue.
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Again if all comes down to the video really. I still can't pull it up. I haven't been to a computer yet though. They block it at my office. But if the kid make actions reaching for the weapon...well the officer has a right to be worried.

    This stuff is very convoluted. The gun damn sure looked real to me.
    If you haven't seen the video, what exactly are you commenting on with such assurance?

    The only weapons are the ones the police are carrying.

    The boy went to lift his shirt and was shot immediately. Is that all the time given to drop a weapon? If so, is that enough time for anyone to actually do so?
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Lets hope citizens stop calling in complaints about thugs with guns terrorizing people in parks, and lets hope if citizens DO call those complaints in the cops refuse to respond. That way, when they kid that is on video walking up and down the sidewalk terrorizing citizens with what looks like a very real gun gets approached by cops the kid doesnt jump up and raise his shirt and reach for what the police were told is a gun and get shot.
    Wow, that's bizarre.

    The thing is if it was your kid you'd be outraged, and rightly so. But it's some other kid, so f'em right? Cops don't have time to figure shiate out, shoot the kids dead and let god sort it out.

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    The police never saw the tip, because Tamir Rice never withdrew the toy from within his waistband. So your point is moot.

    so, according to you, the police should have let tamir actually pull the weapon, and then what?

    he was going for a weapon? yes or no?

    do you abdicate the person actually pointing it at a cop before the officer can respond?

    is that what you are saying?
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