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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    they didn't now it was a bb gun. the kid had removed the orange signal tip to show that it was a bb gun. without the tip it really does look a like 1911 colt.
    I hope you would use more logic in your posts on things like this.

    the cops can't tell at a distance more so with it in his pants that it is a bb gun. if you look at the gun itself it looks very real.
    and a 45 cal gun is nothing to sneeze at. it can do some serious damage.
    Whether you're holding a toy gun or a real gun and pointing it at anybody or anything when the cops show up, you're not bright. I wouldn't give my kid a BB gun that looks so much like the real thing.
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    cops put themselves into those situations all the time that doesn't mean they should have to ask 100 questions before they do something.
    could the approach been better probably but they got a call about a kid walking around waving a gun at people. that is far more dangerous then what the cops were doing.
    Cops are held to the same standard as you and I are. If they themselves aren't in imminent danger and nobody else is either then they can't claim self defense if, after recognizing a potential threat, they put themselves in a dangerous situation.

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    The kid probably was breaking the law. I don't know what the law is in Cleveland but in in most places pointing a firearm, even a pellet gun, at people is illegal. Besides, the responding cops would have no way to know whether the gun was real or not as they approached.

    In this particular scenario the primary problem was in the way the cops approached. There did not appear to be an imminent threat to anyone at the time they came on the scene but the driver certainly - and unnecessarily - put himself and his partner in a potentially deadly situation. Self defense generally goes out the window if you knowingly and willingly go from a safe position to one of imminent danger unless you are doing so to protect someone else who is in such danger.
    not for cops. if you watch the video the cops pull up and the kid gets up and walks towards them lifting his shirt up and putting his hands to his waste.
    that is threat enough for the cops to pull their guns and shoot.

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    As a previous poster has noted, there was no one around outside where the kid was playing, so no he was not waving a gun at people.
    evidently someone was there as the cops were called and he was reported for having a gun and in the video it shows him pointing it in different directions. while the 911 caller said it might not have been a real gun the police can't take that chance.

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    they didn't now it was a bb gun. the kid had removed the orange signal tip to show that it was a bb gun. without the tip it really does look a like 1911 colt.
    I hope you would use more logic in your posts on things like this.

    the cops can't tell at a distance more so with it in his pants that it is a bb gun. if you look at the gun itself it looks very real.
    and a 45 cal gun is nothing to sneeze at. it can do some serious damage.
    Ok. However that does not change the fact that they should have approached differently seeing that it was a 12 year old and there was a complete lack of communication between the kid and the officer. What ever happened to pointing your gun at the suspect and telling them to put down the weapon?

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Whether you're holding a toy gun or a real gun and pointing it at anybody or anything when the cops show up, you're not bright. I wouldn't give my kid a BB gun that looks so much like the real thing.
    I wouldn't let my kid roam around a public park with it. that is the real question. of course the kids parents probably aren't home.
    stupid on his part unfortunately it was a very costly mistake.

    the judge doesn't matter it is the GJ that will still decide.

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    It was ruled a homicide, LOL.

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    Which was slammed as being political and shown to be wrong.
    And we know it is wrong because he was not put in a choke hold.

    And when a person says they can not breath that is an indication that they can actually breath. Duh! When is your side going to learn that?

    It is clear he died becasue of complications of his own ill health.
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Ok. However that does not change the fact that they should have approached differently seeing that it was a 12 year old and there was a complete lack of communication between the kid and the officer. What ever happened to pointing your gun at the suspect and telling them to put down the weapon?
    Again, they didn't know he was 12, so drop that bit. And reaching for your weapon when cops have guns trained on you is the very definition of soon to be lead poisoned.

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Ok. However that does not change the fact that they should have approached differently seeing that it was a 12 year old and there was a complete lack of communication between the kid and the officer. What ever happened to pointing your gun at the suspect and telling them to put down the weapon?
    not when that suspect is walking up to your while in a car and reaching for a gun in his waste.
    there isn't time to ask 1000 questions.

    the video clearly shows the kid doing this. it was stupid on his part.

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Cops are held to the same standard as you and I are. If they themselves aren't in imminent danger and nobody else is either then they can't claim self defense if, after recognizing a potential threat, they put themselves in a dangerous situation.
    a guy walking toward you lifting up his shirt and reaching for a gun is an imminent threat.

    they didn't put themselves there they were responding to a call that someone reported that someone in a park had a gun.

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