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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    If you think that a 12 year old with a BB gun is a threat to a grown man with a real gun, then I hope you are never a cop.
    they didn't now it was a bb gun. the kid had removed the orange signal tip to show that it was a bb gun. without the tip it really does look a like 1911 colt.
    I hope you would use more logic in your posts on things like this.

    the cops can't tell at a distance more so with it in his pants that it is a bb gun. if you look at the gun itself it looks very real.
    and a 45 cal gun is nothing to sneeze at. it can do some serious damage.

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    It is interesting which shootings engender the biggest protests. The ones I would THINK would cause the most uproar don't. I guess it all comes down to the personalities of people in a particular city.
    The Tamir Rice shooting also happened either right before or right after the jury in NYC decided not to indict the officer who killed Eric Garner. I think this also factors into why Rice didn't get as much as attention as other cases.

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    What gets lost in the effort to convict this officer of something is the fact that you have to forget all about the gun being a toy. The officer's reaction must be evaluated as if the gun were real (he, or anyone else, had no reason to believe it was anything but real). The kid deserves the Darwin Award.

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    True, but murder? Is there any other possible charge? Was the cop really looking to murder this kid or did he really feel that the public could have been in danger? The kid at one point in the video was aiming the gun down the street at something.
    Yes there is, the judge listed out several charge options. He can't however force the DA to press any.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Hyperbole much?

    1. It was a 12 year old kid.

    2. It was not a real gun, rather a BB gun which is legal.

    3. The kid was just doing as kids do, playing.

    4. The kid was not breaking the law.

    you want to explain to me how the two cops in the unit were supposed to know any of that?

    the 911 operator was told by the callers that it was possibly "a toy" but that WAS NOT relayed to responding officers

    the kid had been seen waving a gun (maybe a toy, maybe not) at people throughout the park

    looking at the kid on video, can you honestly say you knew he was 12 years old before being told so?

    no way in hell i would think that
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    The Tamir Rice shooting also happened either right before or right after the jury in NYC decided not to indict the officer who killed Eric Garner. I think this also factors into why Rice didn't get as much as attention as other cases.
    There was no Officer who killed Eric Garner.
    It wasn't a choke hold, and the hold was released while he was still talking.
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Hyperbole much?

    1. It was a 12 year old kid.

    2. It was not a real gun, rather a BB gun which is legal.

    3. The kid was just doing as kids do, playing.

    4. The kid was not breaking the law.
    The kid probably was breaking the law. I don't know what the law is in Cleveland but in in most places pointing a firearm, even a pellet gun, at people is illegal. Besides, the responding cops would have no way to know whether the gun was real or not as they approached.

    In this particular scenario the primary problem was in the way the cops approached. There did not appear to be an imminent threat to anyone at the time they came on the scene but the driver certainly - and unnecessarily - put himself and his partner in a potentially deadly situation. Self defense generally goes out the window if you knowingly and willingly go from a safe position to one of imminent danger unless you are doing so to protect someone else who is in such danger.

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Hyperbole much?

    1. It was a 12 year old kid.

    2. It was not a real gun, rather a BB gun which is legal.

    3. The kid was just doing as kids do, playing.

    4. The kid was not breaking the law.
    1. it doesn't matter.
    2. the orange tip was removed to show that it was a bb gun or a pellet gun which is illegal.
    3. from reports the kid was waving the gun at people that is not playing.
    4. reaching for a gun and attempting to point it at police officers is illegal just as it would be illegal to point a gun at anyone else.

    it doesn't matter if it is a pellet gun or not.

    edit: current law does not state that bb guns have to have an orange tip on them. I consider this stupid.
    more so when they look exactly like a real gun and unless looking at it closely you can't tell the difference more so
    if it is someone's pants.

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    There was no Officer who killed Eric Garner.
    It wasn't a choke hold, and the hold was released while he was still talking.
    It was ruled a homicide, LOL.

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    cops put themselves into those situations all the time that doesn't mean they should have to ask 100 questions before they do something.
    could the approach been better probably but they got a call about a kid walking around waving a gun at people. that is far more dangerous then what the cops were doing.
    As a previous poster has noted, there was no one around outside where the kid was playing, so no he was not waving a gun at people.

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