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    Re: Tamir Rice:Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing 12 year-ol...

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    No. It really doesn't. You made a specific claim. Are you saying you don't have evidence that the department is FILLED with them?
    When I called the Cleveland PD to find out how to get access to the personnel files of the entire department a woman who was slurring her speech answered. She said no questions and hung up on me. She sounded drunk or on meds but I wouldn't rule out a bad connection.

    I could have tried again but navigating a government ivr system is too time consuming. I put more effort into it than it deserved. The cops didn't give Tamir the benefit of the doubt.
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    Re: Tamir Rice:Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing 12 year-ol...

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    When I called the Cleveland PD to find out how to get access to the personnel files of the entire department a woman who was slurring her speech answered. She said no questions and hung up on me. She sounded drunk or on meds but I wouldn't rule out a bad connection.

    I could have tried again but navigating a government ivr system is too time consuming. I put more effort into it than it deserved. The cops didn't give Tamir the benefit of the doubt.
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    Re: Tamir Rice:Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing 12 year-old[W:

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    Tamir Rice: judge finds cause for murder charge over police killing of 12-year-old | US news | The Guardian

    Just saw this on my local news as well (Channel 12, CBS, Cincinnati)

    Judge Ronald Adrine of the Cleveland Municipal Court said there were grounds to prosecute Officer Timothy Loehmann with murder....

    I don't know if murder is going to fly but the shooting looked really bad and charges should be brought as well as a massive law suit
    I still think the blame lies with the driver. While I've had no problem criticising police, I don't think the shooter, oddly enough is necessarily to blame.

    Now There are lots of things I don't know, but my understanding is that the shooter is the junior officer. I also assume that the driver, the senior officer, made the decision about how to approach the situation. Lastly I assume when the officer stepped from the vehicle the boy had the "gun" in his hands pointed in the general direction of the officer exiting the vehicle.

    It was how the situation was approached that caused the boys death in my opinion, rather than a trigger hungry officer without any justification to shoot....

    Now a lawsuit, without question.

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    Re: Tamir Rice:Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing 12 year-old[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Do you think he demonstrated proper tactics?
    You can not show that he didn't.
    And his response to the threat that Tamir presented was proper.
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    Re: Tamir Rice:Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing 12 year-old[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You can not show that he didn't.
    And his response to the threat that Tamir presented was proper.
    Actually I can. Would YOU drive right up on someone who has a loaded firearm after reports of "threatening with gun?"
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    Re: Tamir Rice:Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing 12 year-old[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Actually I can. Would YOU drive right up on someone who has a loaded firearm after reports of "threatening with gun?"
    I see you didn't pay attention to what was said. It was even underlined so you wouldn't miss it.

    But no, you actually can't.


    He was not the driver. Duh!

    And responding to the threat that Tamir presented would still be proper even had he been the driver.

    So stop talking nonsense.
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    Tamir Rice:Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing 12 year-ol...

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    I see you didn't pay attention to what was said. It was even underlined so you wouldn't miss it.

    But no, you actually can't.


    He was not the driver. Duh!

    And responding to the threat that Tamir presented would still be proper even had he been the driver.

    So stop talking nonsense.
    So was the action of the driver acceptable? Did the shooter already have his gun out? Now. Let me ask you:

    How long between arrival and shot?

    What command was issued?

    And how did the kid respond?

    Additionally: did dispatch fail to report all relevant details?
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    Re: Tamir Rice:Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing 12 year-ol...

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    So was the action of the driver acceptable?
    Irrelevant to his reasonable response to the threat Tamir presented.


    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Did the shooter already have his gun out?
    Irrelvant to his reasonable response to the threat Tamir presented.


    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    How long between arrival and shot?

    What command was issued?
    Irrelevant to his reasonable response to the threat Tamir presented.


    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Additionally: did dispatch fail to report all relevant details?
    Irrelevant to his reasonable response to the threat Tamir presented.


    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    And how did the kid respond?
    We can see in the video that he was grabbing for his gun which is just a confirmation of what the Officer supposedly said.
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