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    Re: Tamir Rice:Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing 12 year-ol...

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    Yea, I agree it is better to agree to disagree because you are only focused on one part of the problem. It never said once that we should not hold LE accountable for their actions...you are interjecting that because you are blinded to the problem..and you just want to see the drama.
    No, you just said this:

    IMO, LE don't earn enough money to police neighborhoods like this one...but they choose to do it and that is why we should get off the band wagon of persecuting cops and look at the total picture.
    And this:

    This [bad parents]is what you are defending, while blaming LE:
    And this:

    I tell you what...when someone steals your car, or hurts one of your loved ones...call a criminal..LOL. This is not victim blaming at all...it is part of the solution to a huge problem. We can sit back and bash the folks who protect...or we can rally around the ones who are criminals.
    And of course I've never said anything at all derogatory against "Law enforcement." So you've invented straw men and then object when I argue against the straw men you invented.

    I have not said one nice thing about the cop who killed Tamir, he was unfit to do his job and was hired anyway. We have a problem in this country with LE relationships and I think the problem is more than "douche bag" cops...it is society as a whole. If you or anyone else choose to allow a 12 years old to play in a park that is riddled with violence, than you have the right to do so...the US is a free country. When that child gets hurt or killed, you have no one to blame but yourself because you were aware of the problems that could happen. I think when you become a parent, you will see things a lot differently. I am not the only one who feels this way, many parents do, especially the AA Mothers who chose a different path for their kids. They are the worst critics of this case.
    I'm trying to understand a little better and asked two simple questions. Where should he go if not for the rec center and the nearby park? And how could his mom have known he traded his phone for a gun?

    And he was killed by a cop in that park. I'd understand if he'd been caught in the crossfire of a drug deal (I watched 30 minutes of tape and didn't see another soul on camera except some guy sitting at the Gazebo), but I don't actually think that any mother should expect that her son will be killed by POLICE at a local park. Give me a break.
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    Re: Tamir Rice:Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing 12 year-old[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Again. Irrelevant to the response that we can see was made to the gun Tamir was reaching for.


    No. Unable to confirm does not mean contradiction.
    A witness hearing more shots than fired is not a contradiction but an impossibility and speaks to their mishearing what happened.




    That is your own bias speaking.
    What happened in the past is irrelevant to his response to the threat that Tamir presented.

    That said.

    I would be willing to bet that most folks who break down over relationship problems get over it and do not let is effect their duties years later.


    So suggesting that such an event that happened years in the past somehow had an affected his response to the threat that Tamir presented, is absurd.
    Look. There is only ONE way to handle a firearm...and it is NOT weepy. The same can be said for an officer. You don't want a distracted and weepy officer. The past IS a factor. Just like with mass shooters. They frequently have mental instability in their background.

    The guy showed a particular trait that was not exactly a good one. He later shoots a kid who literally DOES NOT pull the gun. The speed of which this takes place is not exactly indicative of a rational mind. Especially the whole driving right up on an armed individual.

    I'm not calling this murder. I'm calling it negligence.
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    Re: Tamir Rice:Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing 12 year-ol...

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    No, you just said this:



    And this:



    And this:



    And of course I've never said anything at all derogatory against "Law enforcement." So you've invented straw men and then object when I argue against the straw men you invented.



    I'm trying to understand a little better and asked two simple questions. Where should he go if not for the rec center and the nearby park? And how could his mom have known he traded his phone for a gun?

    And he was killed by a cop in that park. I'd understand if he'd been caught in the crossfire of a drug deal (I watched 30 minutes of tape and didn't see another soul on camera except some guy sitting at the Gazebo), but I don't actually think that any mother should expect that her son will be killed by POLICE at a local park. Give me a break.
    We have a movement that is blaming LE for all of these shootings and incidents. You seem to fall lock and step in that movement. You also quote mined and said that I "victim" blamed and I do not blame Tamir. He was a kid and was caught up in a scenario that could have been prevented on all sides. A park that has the history of that one...gives a parent reasonable cause to supervise play there...anyone that is a parent knows this. If his Mom was with him, she would have seen the trade of the gun and stopped it. If you feel comfortable allowing a 12 year old to play in a park like this one, without your supervision, it is your right. Go back to the article that I posted about the location and let us know if you would allow YOUR child to play there. There are other options a parent can do, such as play with them, obtain a free membership at the YMCA, (they have programs) and use play time there, enroll them in sports or after school activities..the possibilities are limitless if you do not work and have the time to take them and it doesn't take a lot of money, just time, and the Mom was home at the time.

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    Re: Tamir Rice:Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing 12 year-old[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    I'm not calling this murder. I'm calling it negligence.
    You are speaking nonsense, as what happened years earlier has nothing to do with his reasonable response to the threat that Tamir presented.
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    Re: Tamir Rice:Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing 12 year-ol...

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    We have a movement that is blaming LE for all of these shootings and incidents. You seem to fall lock and step in that movement. You also quote mined and said that I "victim" blamed and I do not blame Tamir. He was a kid and was caught up in a scenario that could have been prevented on all sides. A park that has the history of that one...gives a parent reasonable cause to supervise play there...anyone that is a parent knows this. If his Mom was with him, she would have seen the trade of the gun and stopped it. If you feel comfortable allowing a 12 year old to play in a park like this one, without your supervision, it is your right. Go back to the article that I posted about the location and let us know if you would allow YOUR child to play there. There are other options a parent can do, such as play with them, obtain a free membership at the YMCA, (they have programs) and use play time there, enroll them in sports or after school activities..the possibilities are limitless if you do not work and have the time to take them and it doesn't take a lot of money, just time, and the Mom was home at the time.
    Blah blah blah more wordplay to try to insinuate that his parents arent a victim. Then you try to pretend to be empathetic by stating Tamir is a victim and his parents arent. You are trying to say that his mom has no sadness for his death and is a douche for suing the cops... I dont think its very convincing at all.
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    Re: Tamir Rice:Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing 12 year-ol...

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Playing in that specific park is safer than driving on the freeway. I guess this makes you a horrible parent.
    Most absurd post of them all...WOW. Here is the article again. Now justify why you as a parent would feel comfortable with your child playing there without you present.

    Tamir Rice's neighborhood has history of gangs, violence | cleveland.com

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    Re: Tamir Rice:Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing 12 year-ol...

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Blah blah blah more wordplay to try to insinuate that his parents arent a victim. Then you try to pretend to be empathetic by stating Tamir is a victim and his parents arent. You are trying to say that his mom has no sadness for his death and is a douche for suing the cops... I dont think its very convincing at all.
    I think you are creating straw man arguments and assume a awful a lot. After all, I am not assuming anything about you and far as we all know, you could be a crack dealer since you are defending her so strongly. Go back and read the posts. This is just an alternate opinion, other than the one you want...which is focusing the entire blame on LE. Anyway, it is a free country...and when you become a parent, you will see the enormous feeling of responsibility and love that it takes to raise a child till adulthood.

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    Re: Tamir Rice:Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing 12 year-ol...

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    Most absurd post of them all...WOW. Here is the article again. Now justify why you as a parent would feel comfortable with your child playing there without you present.

    Tamir Rice's neighborhood has history of gangs, violence | cleveland.com
    You're more likely to have a child killed in that park by the police than by a gang. Children should avoid the police. If there are any police in that neighborhood then children should be trained to walk in the opposite direction OR cross the street so that they don't get intercepted by the police.
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    Re: Tamir Rice:Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing 12 year-ol...

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    You're more likely to have a child killed in that park by the police than by a gang. Children should avoid the police.
    Bravo!! That is the answer...while we are at it, why don't we teach them to hate LE. That will solve all the problems with community relationships with LE. Better yet, let's get rid of LE and we can police ourselves!! Move to this neighborhood and report back how safe you feel there...

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    Re: Tamir Rice:Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing 12 year-ol...

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    Bravo!! That is the answer...while we are at it, why don't we teach them to hate LE. That will solve all the problems with community relationships with LE. Better yet, let's get rid of LE and we can police ourselves!! Move to this neighborhood and report back how safe you feel there...

    Cudell, Cleveland, OH Crime Rates & Statistics
    But thats exactly the scenario in this scenario... This kid shuold have avoided this cop. And no gang members ever got him.... Its like you are immune to logic. Maybe you are wrong and the cop is 99% wrong? I say that its inhumane you think the mom wouldnt feel sorrow over her own kids death and you accuse me of being a crack head... lol man o man. You should prolly just stop posting.
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