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    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    I think if you go back and read the threads instead of focusing on a person who most of us would not even allow in our homes, you would see that the cop is just as much to blame in this case as anyone else. Tamir traded a smart phone for the gun that day from another kid...if she would have been with him that day, she could have prevented it. Her parenting became relevant the day she decided to sue the City of Cleveland for millions, she placed herself in the spotlight. I pay hefty taxes to the City of Cleveland since most of my income comes from that City...I have a right to know where my tax dollars are going. I can't imagine worrying about a getting paid when I have not even buried my son yet. Just maybe, his Mother could have maintained a clean criminal record, so she could work and remove her son from that neighborhood instead of selling crack. My parents were dirt poor when we migrated from the South to give my sister and I a better life...he left with only 500.00 in his pocket, got a job and provided a good middle class life for us. Why is she any different? The difference is, my Dad worked and she took the easy way out...selling dope. Again...human failure caused the death of Tamir Rice, accountability involves parental supervision as well. I think I am a little closer to this case than you are...I still work in the trenches of the inner city, by choice because I think I can make a difference. Other folks sit on the sidelines and point to blame based on their personal agendas. I think Criminals are becoming the new American hero in this country because the left fails to see all sides. IMO, LE don't earn enough money to police neighborhoods like this one...but they choose to do it and that is why we should get off the band wagon of persecuting cops and look at the total picture. It will take effort and hard work to turn these cities around and LE cannot do it on their own. Starting in the neighborhoods is a good place to start.
    12 year olds do not need parental supervision at a park.... The murderer to fear on this day was a cop... The kid wasnt scared of gansters. Guess he should have been scared of the cop and ran home to mommy as soon as he seen the cop showing up. It is impossible to monitor a kid 100% of the time. And if you do then you arent raising them right. They are going to have some issues integrating into society if they need to bring their mommy on their first date. Kid was playing in a park, where kids are supposed to play and some dip**** cop shot him. The end.

    Kids will do stuff on their own. You cant blame the parents for that. Hell my little brother came home with an expensive looking Minecraft Guide (very popular game among little kids right now). I asked him where he got it. He said some girl in his class gave it to him. Asked if he traded her anything for it. He said 2 markers. (this is where I frowned) Was able to eventually deduce that HE was the one that initiated the trading process, not her and that either she was banished from using markers or she had a crush on him. Now my brother is a good, mostly honest kid but little kids will trick people for what they really, really want. And a replica gun is really, really cool. You cant blame the parents for this one at all. BTW i made my brother give the Guidebook back to the lil girl.

    The cop is really the only person to blame.
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    Re: Tamir Rice:Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing 12 year-ol...

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    I think if you go back and read the threads instead of focusing on a person who most of us would not even allow in our homes, you would see that the cop is just as much to blame in this case as anyone else. Tamir traded a smart phone for the gun that day from another kid...if she would have been with him that day, she could have prevented it. Her parenting became relevant the day she decided to sue the City of Cleveland for millions, she placed herself in the spotlight. I pay hefty taxes to the City of Cleveland since most of my income comes from that City...I have a right to know where my tax dollars are going. I can't imagine worrying about a getting paid when I have not even buried my son yet. Just maybe, his Mother could have maintained a clean criminal record, so she could work and remove her son from that neighborhood instead of selling crack. My parents were dirt poor when we migrated from the South to give my sister and I a better life...he left with only 500.00 in his pocket, got a job and provided a good middle class life for us. Why is she any different? The difference is, my Dad worked and she took the easy way out...selling dope. Again...human failure caused the death of Tamir Rice, accountability involves parental supervision as well. I think I am a little closer to this case than you are...I still work in the trenches of the inner city, by choice because I think I can make a difference. Other folks sit on the sidelines and point to blame based on their personal agendas. I think Criminals are becoming the new American hero in this country because the left fails to see all sides. IMO, LE don't earn enough money to police neighborhoods like this one...but they choose to do it and that is why we should get off the band wagon of persecuting cops and look at the total picture. It will take effort and hard work to turn these cities around and LE cannot do it on their own. Starting in the neighborhoods is a good place to start.
    OK, you seem to know things that aren't in the record and are basing your conclusions on that knowledge or assumptions or both. And I'm not focusing on Tamir's mom - I'm just responding to your baseless claims that blame her for his death. She might have been responsible, but I don't see that him being at the rec center is a failure of parenting or not knowing that he traded his phone for that gun THAT DAY. She couldn't have known.

    But it's crap to say that questioning and holding police accountable when one of them shoots a 12 year old that we're "persecuting cops." No point arguing with that attitude. All you're saying is there is never an acceptable time to hold them accountable if they shoot a kid in a bad neighborhood. I don't agree and see no point engaging further.

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    When you become a parent, you will realize what I am saying. The park is riddled with gang violence and guns. Is this the environment you see your future or current children playing? Read the article I posted about the neighborhood and decide if you would allow you kids to play there unsupervised. In a perfect world, a child should be able to play where they want...but not all areas are considered perfect worlds and it is a parents job to protect them from the imperfections. A gang banger could have saw Tamir with the gun that day...and he would have been killed. You just don't know, so why take the chance. The Mom knew what was going on in that neighborhood...if she is intelligent enough to convert grams of cocaine into a 8 ball, she can read the news. The violence in that neighborhood is nothing new and easy to understand.
    You sound like a scardy cat. I grew up pretty much the only poor white person, in the desert right smack in the middle of nothing but mexicans. I used to go to the park by myself. All the mexicans kids picked on me and tried to beat me up. Gang members arent going to target little kids....

    They are looking to either get a quick come up by robbing someone or feel powerful by beating up some other adult. You really think if some random gang member saw the replica that he would have shot Tamir? Like really? You must not interact with the bottom half of society... like at all. So go hide in your ivory tower and blame all parents that dont hide their kids in their tower with them. It wasnt gang members Tamir should have been scared of that day. It was a stupid, stupid unempathetic cop.

    Gang members dont go around just targeting little kids on purpose. Not like this cop. Gang members are more like territorial dogs. The chances of them ****ing with your kid is probably around the same as any random person ****ing with your kid. Gang members dont walk around looking for kids to kill. You cant blame the parents for letting a kid go play at a park. Just stop. Obviously Tamir got out alive every other time he played at this park. Until this idiot cop deemed him a thug-gangster at first glance.

    There is a park just 2 blocks from my house. Some teenager was shot to death at this park about a month ago. This kid was obviously BEING TARGETED when he was shot. But its also obvious that it was a freak occurance and people arent patrolling the park looking for someone to shoot. Some enemy of his just seen him there and took the opportunity. And now people let their kids play at this water park. Should CPS be called on all these parents letting their kids go to the park just because some horrible freak occurrence happened there?

    You keep touting how his parents are negligent because he was playing in a dangerous place. But its the cops that executed him and a gangster never got to him before that! Unless your kid is mentally retarded he should be allowed to play on his own at 12. You go on to talk about his crack mamma when she has nothing to do with this incident. Stop blaming the victims.
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    You sound like a scardy cat. I grew up pretty much the only poor white person, in the desert right smack in the middle of nothing but mexicans. I used to go to the park by myself. All the mexicans kids picked on me and tried to beat me up. Gang members arent going to target little kids....

    They are looking to either get a quick come up by robbing someone or feel powerful by beating up some other adult. You really think if some random gang member saw the replica that he would have shot Tamir? Like really? You must not interact with the bottom half of society... like at all. So go hide in your ivory tower and blame all parents that dont hide their kids in their tower with them. It wasnt gang members Tamir should have been scared of that day. It was a stupid, stupid unempathetic cop.

    Gang members dont go around just targeting little kids on purpose. Not like this cop. Gang members are more like territorial dogs. The chances of them ****ing with your kid is probably around the same as any random person ****ing with your kid. Gang members dont walk around looking for kids to kill. You cant blame the parents for letting a kid go play at a park. Just stop. Obviously Tamir got out alive every other time he played at this park. Until this idiot cop deemed him a thug-gangster at first glance.

    There is a park just 2 blocks from my house. Some teenager was shot to death at this park about a month ago. This kid was obviously BEING TARGETED when he was shot. But its also obvious that it was a freak occurance and people arent patrolling the park looking for someone to shoot. Some enemy of his just seen him there and took the opportunity. And now people let their kids play at this water park. Should CPS be called on all these parents letting their kids go to the park just because some horrible freak occurrence happened there?

    You keep touting how his parents are negligent because he was playing in a dangerous place. But its the cops that executed him and a gangster never got to him before that! Unless your kid is mentally retarded he should be allowed to play on his own at 12. You go on to talk about his crack mamma when she has nothing to do with this incident. Stop blaming the victims.
    When you become a parent, you will realize the huge responsibility of raising a child. It is the hardest job in the world and it never ends. Unless you are a parent, you will never know what is the right or wrong way to raise them. Most of us do a pretty good job at this and have positive outcomes to prove it. Everything you state is based on inexperience and it is absurd. Good luck if you ever have kids...it involves a lot of worry and sleepless nights. Hardest job ever.

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    OK, you seem to know things that aren't in the record and are basing your conclusions on that knowledge or assumptions or both. And I'm not focusing on Tamir's mom - I'm just responding to your baseless claims that blame her for his death. She might have been responsible, but I don't see that him being at the rec center is a failure of parenting or not knowing that he traded his phone for that gun THAT DAY. She couldn't have known.

    But it's crap to say that questioning and holding police accountable when one of them shoots a 12 year old that we're "persecuting cops." No point arguing with that attitude. All you're saying is there is never an acceptable time to hold them accountable if they shoot a kid in a bad neighborhood. I don't agree and see no point engaging further.
    Yea, I agree it is better to agree to disagree because you are only focused on one part of the problem. It never said once that we should not hold LE accountable for their actions...you are interjecting that because you are blinded to the problem..and you just want to see the drama. I have not said one nice thing about the cop who killed Tamir, he was unfit to do his job and was hired anyway. We have a problem in this country with LE relationships and I think the problem is more than "douche bag" cops...it is society as a whole. If you or anyone else choose to allow a 12 years old to play in a park that is riddled with violence, than you have the right to do so...the US is a free country. When that child gets hurt or killed, you have no one to blame but yourself because you were aware of the problems that could happen. I think when you become a parent, you will see things a lot differently. I am not the only one who feels this way, many parents do, especially the AA Mothers who chose a different path for their kids. They are the worst critics of this case.

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    Yea, I agree it is better to agree to disagree because you are only focused on one part of the problem. It never said once that we should not hold LE accountable for their actions...you are interjecting that because you are blinded to the problem..and you just want to see the drama. I have not said one nice thing about the cop who killed Tamir, he was unfit to do his job and was hired anyway. We have a problem in this country with LE relationships and I think the problem is more than "douche bag" cops...it is society as a whole. If you or anyone else choose to allow a 12 years old to play in a park that is riddled with violence, than you have the right to do so...the US is a free country. When that child gets hurt or killed, you have no one to blame but yourself because you were aware of the problems that could happen. I think when you become a parent, you will see things a lot differently. I am not the only one who feels this way, many parents do, especially the AA Mothers who chose a different path for their kids. They are the worst critics of this case.
    Ok so you think its the parents fault that some douchebag cop shot the kid... Gotcha. Will disregard all your future posts.
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    Car accidents are the number 1 killer of children. So if you drive in a car with your child and are hit and your child dies you have no one to blame but yourself because you are aware of the danger of driving a car with a child, right?
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    Car accidents are the number 1 killer of children. So if you drive in a car with your child and are hit and your child dies you have no one to blame but yourself because you are aware of the danger of driving a car with a child, right?
    Cars are different and are a necessity of life....many use this one to support the 2A...same logic applies here. We need car's to haul kids around all evening after school...LOL. Playing in a dangerous park is a different scenario. Now, if you are negligent while driving the car...then you are accountable. We all parent differently, this is just my opinion on the case, nothing more. Parenting is a reflection on Parents. We do live in a free society where we can express opinions and not every one is going to agree with you.

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    Ok so you think its the parents fault that some douchebag cop shot the kid... Gotcha. Will disregard all your future posts.
    Yes..please do. Your posts are sickening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    Cars are different and are a necessity of life....many use this one to support the 2A...same logic applies here. We need car's to haul kids around all evening after school...LOL. Playing in a dangerous park is a different scenario. Now, if you are negligent while driving the car...then you are accountable. We all parent differently, this is just my opinion on the case, nothing more. Parenting is a reflection on Parents. We do live in a free society where we can express opinions and not every one is going to agree with you.
    Playing in that specific park is safer than driving on the freeway. I guess this makes you a horrible parent.
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