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    I've seen several references to Tamir's mom on this thread. I guess I'm unclear what the problem is with her. According to the investigation, he spent most days at the community rec center, and he was right by there when shot. What's a better option for him during the day than the community center? When I was his age, I never spent any time at home when not in school. Either riding my bike, shooting BB guns in the nearby woods, fishing, or just wandering around with friends. I had safer options outside, but that's because I grew up in a wealthier and more rural area. But given his neighborhood, where should he go, or does he have to spend all day in his room reading literature for you to approve of her parenting.

    You're blaming her for him waving around what was actually a toy given to him THAT DAY. Should Bad Mom have somehow divined from her Tarot cards that he got that gun? If not how does she find out that he has the gun and warn him not to play with it? What opportunity did Bad Mom have to intervene?
    You don't understand the neighborhood where Tamir was killed...It is one of those where you don't stop at red lights. I used to drive through there everyday when I worked at a hospital around there. Now, if you were a parent...would you allow your 12 old to play there without you being present? You can't compare the safety of when you were a kid, if you do not understand what it is like in the inner city. I have spent 19 years working inner city hospitals...I have seen just about everything.

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    I have seen a lot of kids like Tamir and their horrible Mothers. IMO, if you become a parent, it is your responsibility to keep them safe and protect them, the accountability for their safety rests on your shoulders and no one else. She was home during the shooting, her felony record prevented her from getting a job...she has a long record of arrests. She was a drug trafficker and had illegal weapon charges. I had the "bleeding heart empathy" for her at first, then one night at work, the black nurses were talking about her...as I work with a distant relative of Tamir's Mom. I am kind to what they had to say about her. I managed a residents clinic which was a free walk in clinic for vaccines and care, and the things I saw women do to their children has scared me for life and I had to resign. Even tho the care was free, I dealt with a population that was too lazy to even take their children to the doctor, even too lazy to apply and maintain Medicaid status. I saw a 5 year old with lice so bad, that the little girl was balding. The only reason the Mom sought care was because the school would not allow the child to return until the lice was resolved and she would not have the "free time" while he was in school. This is just one example as there are many more of what kids like Tamir suffer from. It just bothers me, when folks, usually the fringe left, rally around people like Tamir's Mom, but are adamant that it is always someone else's fault. In this case, accountability is spread, and women like Tamir's Mother are part of the problem. This is what you are defending, while blaming LE:

    #TamirRice Mom Had Illegal Weapon Charge, Criminal Record - GotNews
    Lawyer representing Tamir Rice's family defended boy's mom in drug trafficking case | cleveland.com

    Would this be the type of woman you would want raising your kids?

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    You don't understand the neighborhood where Tamir was killed...It is one of those where you don't stop at red lights. I used to drive through there everyday when I worked at a hospital around there. Now, if you were a parent...would you allow your 12 old to play there without you being present? You can't compare the safety of when you were a kid, if you do not understand what it is like in the inner city. I have spent 19 years working inner city hospitals...I have seen just about everything.

    Tamir Rice's neighborhood has history of gangs, violence | cleveland.com

    I have seen a lot of kids like Tamir and their horrible Mothers. IMO, if you become a parent, it is your responsibility to keep them safe and protect them, the accountability for their safety rests on your shoulders and no one else. She was home during the shooting, her felony record prevented her from getting a job...she has a long record of arrests. She was a drug trafficker and had illegal weapon charges. I had the "bleeding heart empathy" for her at first, then one night at work, the black nurses were talking about her...as I work with a distant relative of Tamir's Mom. I am kind to what they had to say about her. I managed a residents clinic which was a free walk in clinic for vaccines and care, and the things I saw women do to their children has scared me for life and I had to resign. Even tho the care was free, I dealt with a population that was too lazy to even take their children to the doctor, even too lazy to apply and maintain Medicaid status. I saw a 5 year old with lice so bad, that the little girl was balding. The only reason the Mom sought care was because the school would not allow the child to return until the lice was resolved and she would not have the "free time" while he was in school. This is just one example as there are many more of what kids like Tamir suffer from. It just bothers me, when folks, usually the fringe left, rally around people like Tamir's Mom, but are adamant that it is always someone else's fault. In this case, accountability is spread, and women like Tamir's Mother are part of the problem. This is what you are defending, while blaming LE:

    #TamirRice Mom Had Illegal Weapon Charge, Criminal Record - GotNews
    Lawyer representing Tamir Rice's family defended boy's mom in drug trafficking case | cleveland.com

    Would this be the type of woman you would want raising your kids?
    I can't speak to third or fourth hand information you hear from distant relatives of this woman, and apparently neither of us know her personally, and what else you saw of other parents in that area is not relevant. You don't like he was hanging out at the community rec center. Given his neighborhood, where would be a better place to hang out? I had a lot of safe options, and I'm asking what his options were in his neighborhood that you as a good mom would direct him to. The investigation and interviews indicate Tamir was a good kid, good grades, never had a run in with police, and behaved at the rec center. Maybe he did all that in spite of his mother, but his record doesn't damn her parenting.

    And you posted an article about a gun charge. What you've not addressed is the gun was given to Tamir THAT DAY. Unless she's clairvoyant, I'm not sure how she's supposed to know he has it or act on that knowledge, but you're assuming that she knew or should have, and not acting killed him. If you want to allege it, provide some basis for it.

    And I'm not blaming "law enforcement." I'm blaming one officer for his actions in one incident, and AN officer whose record indicates is incompetent and not emotionally able to handle the job and whose mistakes caused the death of a 12 year old who wasn't actually a threat to anyone. I don't buy the notion that if we hold AN officer accountable for his mistakes that we don't support "Law Enforcement." It's just crap.

    If we have different ideas about the actions of that officer that day, fine, but you don't get to take that disagreement and assert that because I disagree with you that I don't respect "Law Enforcement." The equivalent is me concluding that because you support that officer that day that you don't care about black kids and are OK if white cops gun them down for any reason. I don't make that leap, so provide the same courtesy to the other side.

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    You don't understand the neighborhood where Tamir was killed...It is one of those where you don't stop at red lights. I used to drive through there everyday when I worked at a hospital around there. Now, if you were a parent...would you allow your 12 old to play there without you being present? You can't compare the safety of when you were a kid, if you do not understand what it is like in the inner city. I have spent 19 years working inner city hospitals...I have seen just about everything.

    Tamir Rice's neighborhood has history of gangs, violence | cleveland.com

    I have seen a lot of kids like Tamir and their horrible Mothers. IMO, if you become a parent, it is your responsibility to keep them safe and protect them, the accountability for their safety rests on your shoulders and no one else. She was home during the shooting, her felony record prevented her from getting a job...she has a long record of arrests. She was a drug trafficker and had illegal weapon charges. I had the "bleeding heart empathy" for her at first, then one night at work, the black nurses were talking about her...as I work with a distant relative of Tamir's Mom. I am kind to what they had to say about her. I managed a residents clinic which was a free walk in clinic for vaccines and care, and the things I saw women do to their children has scared me for life and I had to resign. Even tho the care was free, I dealt with a population that was too lazy to even take their children to the doctor, even too lazy to apply and maintain Medicaid status. I saw a 5 year old with lice so bad, that the little girl was balding. The only reason the Mom sought care was because the school would not allow the child to return until the lice was resolved and she would not have the "free time" while he was in school. This is just one example as there are many more of what kids like Tamir suffer from. It just bothers me, when folks, usually the fringe left, rally around people like Tamir's Mom, but are adamant that it is always someone else's fault. In this case, accountability is spread, and women like Tamir's Mother are part of the problem. This is what you are defending, while blaming LE:

    #TamirRice Mom Had Illegal Weapon Charge, Criminal Record - GotNews
    Lawyer representing Tamir Rice's family defended boy's mom in drug trafficking case | cleveland.com

    Would this be the type of woman you would want raising your kids?
    I dont get why you spend so much time blaming the victims. Its very very wierd.
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    I dont get why you spend so much time blaming the victims. Its very very wierd.
    The true victim is Tamir....I would like to see where I posted that I blamed Tamir. What is truly weird is the inability to see fault or human error on all sides...which has been my position in this thread. This case is surrounded with human error and that includes his Mother. I will never lean so left, that I accept that only a few are accountable...such as the folks who CHOOSE to commit crimes versus the ones who CHOOSE to work. This is a great country that is full of opportunity...why place so much concern on those who choose to sell drugs instead of work. Tamir lost his life over decisions that he could not make. Most reasonable parents I know, know where their kids are at all times and what they are doing...especially at 12 years old.

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    The true victim is Tamir....I would like to see where I posted that I blamed Tamir. What is truly weird is the inability to see fault or human error on all sides...which has been my position in this thread. This case is surrounded with human error and that includes his Mother. I will never lean so left, that I accept that only a few are accountable...such as the folks who CHOOSE to commit crimes versus the ones who CHOOSE to work. This is a great country that is full of opportunity...why place so much concern on those who choose to sell drugs instead of work. Tamir lost his life over decisions that he could not make. Most reasonable parents I know, know where their kids are at all times and what they are doing...especially at 12 years old.
    He spent most afternoons out of school at or near the community rec center. Where in his neighborhood is a better place for him to stay out of trouble. Or should he stay in his room reading literature as the only acceptable 'reasonable parent' alternative?

    He got the gun THAT DAY. How is Bad Mom supposed to know that?

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    The true victim is Tamir....I would like to see where I posted that I blamed Tamir. What is truly weird is the inability to see fault or human error on all sides...which has been my position in this thread. This case is surrounded with human error and that includes his Mother. I will never lean so left, that I accept that only a few are accountable...such as the folks who CHOOSE to commit crimes versus the ones who CHOOSE to work. This is a great country that is full of opportunity...why place so much concern on those who choose to sell drugs instead of work. Tamir lost his life over decisions that he could not make. Most reasonable parents I know, know where their kids are at all times and what they are doing...especially at 12 years old.
    Why are you bringing up thugs and workers and society contributes after making it seem like you have empathy for Tamir. A kid should be able to play at any park he wants at the age of 12... 12 is the age of curfews and being home on time. The only criminal I see here is the cop that shot him, probably because the cop has a huge subconscious "thug" bias. His family is also the victim i dont know why you are trying to blame them.
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    I can't speak to third or fourth hand information you hear from distant relatives of this woman, and apparently neither of us know her personally, and what else you saw of other parents in that area is not relevant. You don't like he was hanging out at the community rec center. Given his neighborhood, where would be a better place to hang out? I had a lot of safe options, and I'm asking what his options were in his neighborhood that you as a good mom would direct him to. The investigation and interviews indicate Tamir was a good kid, good grades, never had a run in with police, and behaved at the rec center. Maybe he did all that in spite of his mother, but his record doesn't damn her parenting.

    And you posted an article about a gun charge. What you've not addressed is the gun was given to Tamir THAT DAY. Unless she's clairvoyant, I'm not sure how she's supposed to know he has it or act on that knowledge, but you're assuming that she knew or should have, and not acting killed him. If you want to allege it, provide some basis for it.

    And I'm not blaming "law enforcement." I'm blaming one officer for his actions in one incident, and AN officer whose record indicates is incompetent and not emotionally able to handle the job and whose mistakes caused the death of a 12 year old who wasn't actually a threat to anyone. I don't buy the notion that if we hold AN officer accountable for his mistakes that we don't support "Law Enforcement." It's just crap.

    If we have different ideas about the actions of that officer that day, fine, but you don't get to take that disagreement and assert that because I disagree with you that I don't respect "Law Enforcement." The equivalent is me concluding that because you support that officer that day that you don't care about black kids and are OK if white cops gun them down for any reason. I don't make that leap, so provide the same courtesy to the other side.
    I think if you go back and read the threads instead of focusing on a person who most of us would not even allow in our homes, you would see that the cop is just as much to blame in this case as anyone else. Tamir traded a smart phone for the gun that day from another kid...if she would have been with him that day, she could have prevented it. Her parenting became relevant the day she decided to sue the City of Cleveland for millions, she placed herself in the spotlight. I pay hefty taxes to the City of Cleveland since most of my income comes from that City...I have a right to know where my tax dollars are going. I can't imagine worrying about a getting paid when I have not even buried my son yet. Just maybe, his Mother could have maintained a clean criminal record, so she could work and remove her son from that neighborhood instead of selling crack. My parents were dirt poor when we migrated from the South to give my sister and I a better life...he left with only 500.00 in his pocket, got a job and provided a good middle class life for us. Why is she any different? The difference is, my Dad worked and she took the easy way out...selling dope. Again...human failure caused the death of Tamir Rice, accountability involves parental supervision as well. I think I am a little closer to this case than you are...I still work in the trenches of the inner city, by choice because I think I can make a difference. Other folks sit on the sidelines and point to blame based on their personal agendas. I think Criminals are becoming the new American hero in this country because the left fails to see all sides. IMO, LE don't earn enough money to police neighborhoods like this one...but they choose to do it and that is why we should get off the band wagon of persecuting cops and look at the total picture. It will take effort and hard work to turn these cities around and LE cannot do it on their own. Starting in the neighborhoods is a good place to start.

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    I think if you go back and read the threads instead of focusing on a person who most of us would not even allow in our homes, you would see that the cop is just as much to blame in this case as anyone else. Tamir traded a smart phone for the gun that day from another kid...if she would have been with him that day, she could have prevented it. Her parenting became relevant the day she decided to sue the City of Cleveland for millions, she placed herself in the spotlight. I pay hefty taxes to the City of Cleveland since most of my income comes from that City...I have a right to know where my tax dollars are going. I can't imagine worrying about a getting paid when I have not even buried my son yet. Just maybe, his Mother could have maintained a clean criminal record, so she could work and remove her son from that neighborhood instead of selling crack. My parents were dirt poor when we migrated from the South to give my sister and I a better life...he left with only 500.00 in his pocket, got a job and provided a good middle class life for us. Why is she any different? The difference is, my Dad worked and she took the easy way out...selling dope. Again...human failure caused the death of Tamir Rice, accountability involves parental supervision as well. I think I am a little closer to this case than you are...I still work in the trenches of the inner city, by choice because I think I can make a difference. Other folks sit on the sidelines and point to blame based on their personal agendas. I think Criminals are becoming the new American hero in this country because the left fails to see all sides. IMO, LE don't earn enough money to police neighborhoods like this one...but they choose to do it and that is why we should get off the band wagon of persecuting cops and look at the total picture. It will take effort and hard work to turn these cities around and LE cannot do it on their own. Starting in the neighborhoods is a good place to start.
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    Why are you bringing up thugs and workers and society contributes after making it seem like you have empathy for Tamir. A kid should be able to play at any park he wants at the age of 12... 12 is the age of curfews and being home on time. The only criminal I see here is the cop that shot him, probably because the cop has a huge subconscious "thug" bias. His family is also the victim i dont know why you are trying to blame them.
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    Why are you bringing up thugs and workers and society contributes after making it seem like you have empathy for Tamir. A kid should be able to play at any park he wants at the age of 12... 12 is the age of curfews and being home on time. The only criminal I see here is the cop that shot him, probably because the cop has a huge subconscious "thug" bias. His family is also the victim i dont know why you are trying to blame them.
    When you become a parent, you will realize what I am saying. The park is riddled with gang violence and guns. Is this the environment you see your future or current children playing? Read the article I posted about the neighborhood and decide if you would allow you kids to play there unsupervised. In a perfect world, a child should be able to play where they want...but not all areas are considered perfect worlds and it is a parents job to protect them from the imperfections. A gang banger could have saw Tamir with the gun that day...and he would have been killed. You just don't know, so why take the chance. The Mom knew what was going on in that neighborhood...if she is intelligent enough to convert grams of cocaine into a 8 ball, she can read the news. The violence in that neighborhood is nothing new and easy to understand.

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