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    Re: Tamir Rice:Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing 12 year-old[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Did the Officer say he was just lifting his shirt? Did he say he was throwing it away?
    Has to be taken with a grain of salt. Especially given some of the statements about the officer in question. Crying during live fire training? Grain of salt.
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    It is an appropriate comment. Let me ask you: would you have been upset if this were an Active shooter and the police didn't respond immediately? Let me take you back to columbine.
    We can stop there. Rice wasn't an active shooter, he didn't shoot or injure or kill anyone. If he had that would have been conveyed to the police officers.

    Police were THERE. But their policy was not to go in. That is a BAD policy. For the obvious reason that police need to stop the incident immediately. Putting resistance up is key to stopping a shooter.
    If Tamir Rice was a "shooter" then we'd be having an entirely different discussion. We'd all have been fine with police taking him out at the earliest opportunity.

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    Re: Tamir Rice:Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing 12 year-old[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    We can stop there. Rice wasn't an active shooter, he didn't shoot or injuRe anyone.
    But Rice was a Black child and to the police that's just as big a threat. That's why the police got so close; because they didn't want to miss when they started shooting at Tamir. Dispatch relayed to them repeatedly that the gun was a toy.

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    Re: Tamir Rice:Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing 12 year-old[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Has to be taken with a grain of salt.

    Bs! What he supposedly said is corroborated. That is not something to take with a grain of salt.


    Especially given? More bs.
    That has nothing to do with whether his response was legal.
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    We can stop there. Rice wasn't an active shooter, he didn't shoot or injure or kill anyone. If he had that would have been conveyed to the police officers.



    If Tamir Rice was a "shooter" then we'd be having an entirely different discussion. We'd all have been fine with police taking him out at the earliest opportunity.
    I think you are missing the point. Look at what you said at the end: "we'd all be fine with police taking him out at the earliest opportunity."

    What if he were a shooter who hadn't fired the first shot yet? He had all intentions? I'm saying that to act as if the police response was completely "unreasonable" because he was a 12 year old with a BB gun isn't exactly true. He was a 12 year old with a BB gun that looked VERY much like a firearm.



    So it really isn't about the fact that he didn't have a firearm. He had the above and the above looked real. There are several facts we need to know before we can call this criminal and not negligence.

    1) What did dispatch report?

    2) What did rice do when police drove up?

    3) Did the officer give commands that rice disobeyed?

    4) Was the REAL looking BB gun visible to the officers?
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    Re: Tamir Rice:Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing 12 year-old[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    But Rice was a Black child and to the police that's just as big a threat. That's why the police got so close; because they didn't want to miss when they started shooting at Tamir. Dispatch relayed to them repeatedly that the gun was a toy.
    Evidence?
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    Re: Tamir Rice:Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing 12 year-old[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    Bs! What he supposedly said is corroborated. That is not something to take with a grain of salt.


    Especially given? More bs.
    That has nothing to do with whether his response was legal.
    Do you really think that someone who cries at the firing line...is going to have the best judgement during a force encounter in the real world? Or do you think they might be prone to making panicked decisions? As you said: this isn't in a vacuum.

    And witness testimony DID contradict what he said. Whether or not witnesses can be trusted is another question. It is important to note that memory is not as good and gets worse the longer from an incident we wait to recall.

    Evidence of criminal action? Maybe not. But it does look like the rookie was very much a Barney and not someone who could be trusted with a firearm.
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    See, perhaps you're one of those that needs to be weeded out. You're actually going to draw a comparison of response between an active shooter in a dark theatre, with people on the ground, and a kid who has an air soft in his waste band, even if you think it is a 1911??
    Not shooting to actively shooting is just a trigger pull away.

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That wasn't a very good answer either. Why do you have trouble making a distinction between bad cops that should be weeded out and the rest of the cops that actually follow the rules, live up to their oath and are an asset in the profession and to the communities that they work in, hmm??
    Weeding out and charging with murder are two different things.

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    LMAO. The shooter in Aurora killed 12, injured 70, in a mass killing. Tamir Rice shot no one with his BB gun. You've got to be kidding comparing those two events.
    Not kidding at all.

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