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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I don't what this has to do with whether or not the officers did anything wrong so I'll just skip it.


    False. Let me get a judge to explain why since I have little patience:
    again that is the judges opinion. that doesn't mean the judge is correct. the GJ will decide if there is enough evidence to prosecute and given the video I don't see how they will be able to.

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Not in an open carry state.
    A gun in a waistband covered by a shirt is not an open carry...it is a concealed weapon.

    And for all the daisies and lollipops...you arent talking about an innocent citizen responsibly carrying a weapon in a legal open carry manner. You are talking about a criminal that has been seen on videotape threatening and terrorizing citizens in a park with a drawn weapon. Your refusal to present the situation honestly fully exposes your bias.

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Well, let me get a 30 year veteran police officer explain it to you since I don't have the patience.
    So the driver is 'guilty' of pulling up too close to a suspect? Thats not exactly worthy of a 'murder' charge.

    And how does that description by the 30 year veteran regarding the driving habits of one cop resolve the question of open carry vs concealed carry?

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Not every move, just (in this case) shooting kids armed with BB guns, then standing around for 4 minutes without administering first aid.



    We give police officers the authority to violate our liberties, arrest us, imprison us, and to use deadly force. It seems appropriate and necessary for the public to hold them accountable, especially when they use force (deadly or otherwise) against citizens and residents. If they object to being held accountable by the public and their elected representatives, I'd advise them to not let the door hit them on the ass on the way out. Good riddance.
    Police Officers, from my understanding, are not trained to assist medically. CPR BLS at the most. If Tamir was breathing and he was alive when he arrived at the hospital, there is really anything a cop can do beyond that. The ambulance arrived in 8 minutes. I think the two officers flipped out after the shooting from shock. The shooter vomited behind the police car after he realized he actually shot him. I think we need to perform better screenings upon hire, to make sure that they are prepared for the job. Police officers are terrified to go on a call in certain areas...some change needs to happen there as well. There is blame to go all round...with our current police focus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    I think we need to perform better screenings upon hire, to make sure that they are prepared for the job. Police officers are terrified to go on a call in certain areas...some change needs to happen there as well.
    1) the shooter did not under go basic background screening. He was previously deemed unfit for service.

    2) If cops can't do their jobs because they're afraid then they should resign.

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Suppose, as some here have suggested, the cops would have called to the youth from a distance with their loud speaker telling him to drop the gun or, whatever ultimatum they wanted to affix to it, and he had dropped it on the ground and stepped back away from it an acceptable distance? This child would still be with us, and would have learned one hell of a lesson. Speak to that CC.
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    [QUOTE=Montecresto;1064712821]Suppose, as some here have suggested, the cops would have called to the youth from a distance with their loud speaker telling him to drop the gun or, whatever ultimatum they wanted to affix to it, and he had dropped it on the ground and stepped back away from it an acceptable distance? This child would still be with us, and would have learned one hell of a lesson. Speak to that CC.[/QU

    I agree....most cops would have done that for safety. They rolled up so close, they could have been shot if this was a true loony gunman. The cop that shot him had a horrible record with his previous PD and should have never been hired to work that location where Tamir was shot. He was shaking in his shoes and hyped up by the 911 call. The cop cried during his gun range training....immature and unstable. Check out this article:

    Cleveland officer who killed Tamir Rice had been deemed unfit for duty - LA Times

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    Re: Tamir Rice:Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing 12 year-old[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    1) the shooter did not under go basic background screening. He was previously deemed unfit for service.

    2) If cops can't do their jobs because they're afraid then they should resign.
    I agree...and I think many have been hired when they should not have been. Moving forward, we need to screen them before they enter the police academy to ensure that they have the personality for the job. I also think the police departments should regionalize and rotate them through different departments, a month in the burbs, a month inner city. etc... It is easy to sit back from the easy seats and make statements of what they should or should not do, but until you have had a gun drawn on you, or been spit upon, told to F off 50 times a shift, rocks thrown at your car, call after call of sheer stupidity with domestic issues, etc...you can't really judge them.

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Monday morning quarterbacking is meaningless. Hind sight is always 20/20.
    Crue! Ya let me down big time. I at least figured I'd get some attempt at an answer.
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