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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Walking towards a cop and reaching in one's waistband does not make someone "aggressive" in any world. It might make someone WONDER if they are aggressive, but it doesn't actually make them aggressive. Furthermore, cops aren't supposed to come into a scene like that and immediately shoot someone, ESPECIALLY IN AN OPEN CARRY STATE.

    The cops ****ed up.
    In a waistband covered by a shirt is concealed, not open. I still don't see what the cops did wrong, reported armed suspect reaching towards waistband and moving towards them, then shoot.
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    The quality of the video isn't great but it appears that Rice notices the cop car, gets up and starts walking toward where he figures the cops are going to pull up and then gets wasted. I can't tell if he had anything in his hands when he started walking but his hands were in front of him at about waist level. He may have had his hands in his jacket pockets. At any rate, without audio I can't really tell whether he flinched before or after he got shot.
    I work with images all day long so I'm not speaking from any kind of ignorance when it comes to these things. Hell, I've actually given what could be considered classes on image quality in this very forum. Any person who tries to tell you that the sheer number of artifacts, blurriness and jaggies allow for anything other than interpretation of what is going on is lying to you.
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Not in an open carry state.
    open carry doesn't matter if you are reaching for a gun when the cops show up.

    all open carry means that you can have a gun on you in plain sight. that gun still must be holstered in a non-threatening manner.

    if the cops pull up and you reach for your gun then they will take that as a hostile intent and open carry doesn't matter.

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    In a waistband covered by a shirt is concealed, not open. I still don't see what the cops did wrong, reported armed suspect reaching towards waistband and moving towards them, then shoot.
    Well, let me get a 30 year veteran police officer explain it to you since I don't have the patience.

    Hubert Williams, 30-year police veteran and former president of the Police Foundation, said Garmback should not have pulled the police car so close to where Tamir was standing if they believed he was armed -- as they were told by a 9-1-1 dispatcher.

    By doing so, Garmback put Loehmann in a more vulnerable position to be shot by Tamir, in turn making it more likely that he would fire his own gun in self-defense, Williams said.

    "Pulling up to a scene where an individual had a gun is somewhat problematic," Williams said. "If a guy has a real gun, you're definitely pulling into the line of fire."

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    Williams said approaching Tamir from a distance would have not only put the officers at an advantage for firing at Tamir if he was a threat to them, but also would have given them an opportunity to communicate with the boy.

    "It occurred too soon, and that's going to be the biggest problem that the city of Cleveland is going to be faced with," said Williams.

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Well, let me get a 30 year veteran police officer explain it to you since I don't have the patience.
    I disagree with him. For one, the biggest problem for the city is a cop shot not only a black, but also a kid. Beyond that has no bearing to the race baiters and cop haters. Whether he pulled up too close or not has no bearing on the legitimacy of the shoot.
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I work with images all day long so I'm not speaking from any kind of ignorance when it comes to these things. Hell, I've actually given what could be considered classes on image quality in this very forum. Any person who tries to tell you that the sheer number of artifacts, blurriness and jaggies allow for anything other than interpretation of what is going on is lying to you.
    And in this case you are speaking nonsense.
    The previously linked image showed it was the gun he was in possession of.

    Other images available show him pointing the gun as well.

    All you have is nonsense.
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    I disagree with him. For one, the biggest problem for the city is a cop shot not only a black, but also a kid. Beyond that has no bearing to the race baiters and cop haters.
    I don't what this has to do with whether or not the officers did anything wrong so I'll just skip it.

    Whether he pulled up too close or not has no bearing on the legitimacy of the shoot.
    False. Let me get a judge to explain why since I have little patience:

    The judge said Tamir was given “little if any time” to respond to any commands from the officers, that his arms were not raised, and that he made no “furtive movement”.

    Tamir Rice: judge finds cause for murder charge over police killing of 12-year-old | US news | The Guardian

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    I would have shot him too. You tell me you can tell the difference between the gun the kid was holding a real one fast enough not to get yourself killed?
    I call BS if you think you can.
    Suppose, as some here have suggested, the cops would have called to the youth from a distance with their loud speaker telling him to drop the gun or, whatever ultimatum they wanted to affix to it, and he had dropped it on the ground and stepped back away from it an acceptable distance? This child would still be with us, and would have learned one hell of a lesson. Speak to that CC.
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Well, let me get a 30 year veteran police officer explain it to you since I don't have the patience.
    that is his opinion he wasn't in the situation nor was he there. so hindset of what should have been done is 20/20.
    being in that situation at that moment is completely different.

    also putting a gun in your waste band underneath a shirt is considered concealed and is illegal without a permit.

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Suppose, as some here have suggested, the cops would have called to the youth from a distance with their loud speaker telling him to drop the gun or, whatever ultimatum they wanted to affix to it, and he had dropped it on the ground and stepped back away from it an acceptable distance? This child would still be with us, and would have learned one hell of a lesson. Speak to that CC.
    Had the kid not been trying to intimidate people with a fake gun. had he not been in a public place pointing it around the child would still be with us.
    speak to that monecresto.

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