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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    He was irrational and clearly went in guns blazing.

    On the other hand, the kid was holding something akin to this...

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    The cop is still going to get roasted. I'm just not sure if it's going to be murder 1 or 2 roasted. I was thinking more along the lines of manslaughter. Then again, I don't know **** about law since I'm not trained in it. But having read on what constitutes a first or second degree murder, I just can't say for sure that this cop MURDERED the child. People seem to forget that despite being a child, he was still holding a pellet gun that APPEARED to be a fully functional, lethal pistol, AND said child was, at one point, aiming said pistol down a street at something. Deliberately AIMING, not just holding.
    If he saw the aiming...I can't really call it murder. Murder has strict definitions. That isn't it. Especially given the training officers get now to deal with active shooters. I mean...what happens if it were a kid with a real firearm?

    Like I said...I can't watch it. But from what everyone seems to be saying...it doesn't sound like murder, but horrific negligence. He didn't premeditate this shooting.
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Let's hope this starts a trend, and we settle police brutality in open court rather than secret grand juries.
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    the ABC news here in Cincinnati- (running late due to the GSW's beatdown of the Cavs in Cleveland) is reporting that the prosecutor is going to take the case to the grand jury. apparently the Muni-judge cannot force prosecution
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Let's hope this starts a trend, and we settle police brutality in open court rather than secret grand juries.
    Oops-looks like the grand jury is gonna get it. you do know that the prosecutor can short circuit a Preliminary hearing by an indictment?
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    If he saw the aiming...I can't really call it murder. Murder has strict definitions. That isn't it. Especially given the training officers get now to deal with active shooters. I mean...what happens if it were a kid with a real firearm?

    Like I said...I can't watch it. But from what everyone seems to be saying...it doesn't sound like murder, but horrific negligence. He didn't premeditate this shooting.
    It's without a doubt that the cop is going to get roasted in civil and criminal court (somehow).

    I just cannot, personally, see this as being MURDER.

    Also, this was from a previous thread months ago. This was the EXACT pellet gun the kid was holding at the scene.

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    Looks like a 1911 to me. And it sure as hell looked like one to the cop.
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Oops-looks like the grand jury is gonna get it. you do know that the prosecutor can short circuit a Preliminary hearing by an indictment?
    Although this was directed towards paschendale, I have no ****ing clue what that means XD

    Would you mind explaining this legal sorcery?
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    True, but murder? Is there any other possible charge? Was the cop really looking to murder this kid or did he really feel that the public could have been in danger? The kid at one point in the video was aiming the gun down the street at something.
    It wasn't premeditated but from what I saw the cop rolled up right on top of the kid and started pulling the trigger. It may have been the worst display of tactics I have ever seen. There was no attempt to diffuse the situation and, as far as I could tell, nobody else was in the immediate vicinity so there wasn't an imminent threat to public safety.
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Although this was directed towards paschendale, I have no ****ing clue what that means XD

    Would you mind explaining this legal sorcery?
    say you are arrested for drug trafficking. you can demand a preliminary hearing (defendants often do this in order to find out who ratted them out-cynical LEOs say they do this so they can "take out the rat") this works if the grand jury isn't going to meet for a while. If it does, the DA or the USA or the Country Prosecutor can take the case to the GJ. if the GJ indicts, the Preliminary hearing is vacated and the case proceeds to the court

    in the federal system, magistrate judges handle arraignments, bonds and preliminary hearings, MJs are not able to try criminal cases but they can try civil cases-of ANY amount with the consent of the parties. In our county system in Ohio, Muni-court judges do arraignments etc but the court of common pleas handles felony trials
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Good, that cop needs a trial, what he did was abhorrent.
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    It wasn't premeditated but from what I saw the cop rolled up right on top of the kid and started pulling the trigger. It may have been the worst display of tactics I have ever seen. There was no attempt to diffuse the situation and, as far as I could tell, nobody else was in the immediate vicinity so there wasn't an imminent threat to public safety.
    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    I'm wondering why the guy shot a kid. I can't really open it. Tapatalk is a whore sometimes. I mean...was he just being a one bullet Barney dumb ass?
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    When I first heard about this tragic incident, I wasn't sure whose fault it was. Then as I heard more and more about it... I mean, literally two seconds from arrival to dead kid... there is now no doubt in my mind that this shooting was reckless, negligent and unprofessional. Not all the shootings where protests erupt are bad, but this one definitely was.
    This seems to be a common thread with many of these media cases: there almost seems an eagerness to pull the trigger, whether legally justified or not. There's almost a disregard for human life.

    If you guys remember the New Mexico homeless guy in the desert that was popped by the sharp-shooter, there doesn't seem to be the efforts made to diffuse the situation that would show basic respect for human life - not just respect for the cops lives, but also for the lives of the offenders, who sometimes are offending in some relatively minor fashion.
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