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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    No. I advocated that someone be killed for creating a situation where any reasonable person would have cause to fear for their life.
    Precisely what I said. The cops rolled up on a situation where they were told there was a person threatening people with a gun(and we have video tape showing he did just that) and when they arrived on the scene he jumped up, pulled up his shirt exposing the weapon, and reached for the weapon. Any reasonable person would assume that he was reaching for the weapon with cops approaching him with the intent to use it.

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Why did the cops mount the curb and drive up to the child if not to ensure the bullets didn't miss?
    You don't get to weasel away from your words. Cops DO NOT get a thrill from seeing kids die. To claim that COPS in the general sense get a thrill from killing kids is absolute garbage that goes beyond trolling. You're welcome to either withdraw them or be embarrassed for the next 10 pages. Your choice.
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    That's not true. Cops have to abide by the same rules everyone else does and their use of force has to meet the same standards as a civilian. Cops have arrest and apprehension privileges that civilians do not so there is more flexibility in scenarios where they might be required to use force but they are not exempt from the law.
    Show the law, not some report of a persons opinion on the law.

    As the Officer is there to confront the suspect it is unlikely they have a duty to retreat when it is there duty to confront.

    You have shown you understand self defense. Show that it was not reasonable for the Officer to believe Tamir grabbing his gun was a lethal threat.
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Show the law, not some report of a persons opinion on the law.
    As the Officer is there to confront the suspect it is unlikely they have a duty to retreat when it is there duty to confront.
    You have shown you understand self defense. Show that it was not reasonable for the Officer to believe Tamir grabbing his gun was a lethal threat.
    There's on in every crowd ain't there?.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You don't get to weasel away from your words. Cops DO NOT get a thrill from seeing kids die. To claim that COPS in the general sense get a thrill from killing kids is absolute garbage that goes beyond trolling. You're welcome to either withdraw them or be embarrassed for the next 10 pages. Your choice.
    Ok not all cops but these two certainly did. They even tackled her sister to prevent her from giving aid and then made her watch her brother slowly die.

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Ok not all cops but these two certainly did. They even tackled her sister to prevent her from giving aid and then made her watch her brother slowly die.
    Even that is unsubstantiated. They could simply be ****ty police officers and all of the evidence available points to exactly that, them being ****ty police officers. Unless of course you have access to their psych evaluations/reports.
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Precisely what I said. The cops rolled up on a situation where they were told there was a person threatening people with a gun(and we have video tape showing he did just that) and when they arrived on the scene he jumped up, pulled up his shirt exposing the weapon, and reached for the weapon. Any reasonable person would assume that he was reaching for the weapon with cops approaching him with the intent to use it.
    LOL. In your scenario, he has the 'gun' out, is pointing it at people at that instant, and is screaming threats.

    In the Rice case, he put his hand under his shirt. That's it.

    The equivalent is a call saying the lawyer has what could be a fake gun in his briefcase, and he's shot and killed when he reaches into it, before he brings the gun out, before he issues a threat, before he points it at anyone.

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    There's on in every crowd ain't there?.
    Which begs the question as to why you are asking.
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    That in no way shows what you claimed. Especially as the Judge totally ignored what was on the known video unless it was illegally edited, which I would not put beyond a possibility being that the lawyer was Crump.
    It absolutely shows that the judge has more influence then Excon does. And there's plenty of people here, and on other forums, and on the radio and TV who have seen the video, and agree with the judge, and not with you. But from what I've seen from you, a cop could walk up to anybody and shoot them and you'd defend him.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Even that is unsubstantiated. They could simply be ****ty police officers and all of the evidence available points to exactly that, them being ****ty police officers. Unless of course you have access to their psych reports.
    The shooter was dismissed from the independence police department for being a sociopath.

    The driver had a lawsuit against him for pinning a woman to the ground and savagely beating her.

    This is speculation but it's likely that as soon as they heard from dispatch about the gun being fake they knew they could shoot the child and get away with it.

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