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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Then don't make toys look like real guns.
    most toys guns are required by law to have an orange tip on it. bb guns are the exception for some reason.
    they are not required to have an orange tip.

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    You dont know if someone is reaching for a gun. Until their hand touches a gun.
    You do not know if his hand was on it or not.

    And secondly, for you and your partner's safety you do not take the chance.

    If it was an assumption on their part it was a reasonable one.

    As for Tamir. The video shows his shirt being disturbed.
    I am guessing that you think he was hiding the gun under the shirt and then pulling up his shirt instead of his grabbing the gun he placed in his waistband disturbing his shirt as he was pulling it out.

    The second would coincide with the supposed Officer's account more so than the first.
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the ABC news here in Cincinnati- (running late due to the GSW's beatdown of the Cavs in Cleveland) is reporting that the prosecutor is going to take the case to the grand jury. apparently the Muni-judge cannot force prosecution

    The statute apparently has no teeth. The judge can make the ruling but there's nothing there to back it up. Kind of strange........
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    most toys guns are required by law to have an orange tip on it. bb guns are the exception for some reason.
    they are not required to have an orange tip.
    Yes, but those tips are easily removed or painted over.

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You are reaching for something that does not apply.
    That does not supersede the Officer's legal ability to respond to the threat that Tamir's going for the gun was.
    At no point was responding with lethal force to that lethal threat reckless.
    If the cops are going to claim self defense then they will need to prove that they had no way to escape the danger presented by Mr. Rice except by using deadly force. That's going to be a mighty tough hill to climb when they knowingly and willfully put themselves in such a position.

    This article - Expanded Stand Your Ground Proposed In Ohio - NBC4i: Columbus, Ohio News, Weather and Sports (WCMH-TV) - explains in layman's terms how self defense works in Ohio.
    A Columbus attorney who specializes in 2nd Amendment laws said the present self defense law for using deadly force has three conditions:

    1. You must not have picked a fight.
    2. There is a real belief the you are in immediate danger of death or great bodily harm and that the use of deadly force was the only way to escape danger.
    3. If you can escape or retreat, you must do so. The new proposed law could do away with the language referring to the duty to retreat.
    The way the cops approached Rice is the equivalent of "picking a fight". The cops may have had reason to believe that Rice was a danger before they approached but, since the weapon was not in his hands, the danger was not imminent. Again, the opportunity existed to handle the situation in a less aggressive manner and they chose not to so any claim of self defense is going to be iffy at best.

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Why? A common surrendering tactic is to raise your shirt up so people can see you dont have a weapon. A person is not a threat unless they have their hands on the weapon. When you have your gun trained on them in advance then 0.1 seconds of advantage is all you need.
    If the cops tell you to put your hands up and you go for your waist that's a really, really bad plan.

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Aren't you once again defending cops without even seeing the video?
    No actually. You haven't read what I've written. I HAVE been making an argument for what kinds of charges should be filed. Aren't you once again making assumptions and using your bias to sling baseless claims at police because of your unabashed and almost irrationally phobic hatred of law enforcement?
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    If the cops tell you to put your hands up and you go for your waist that's a really, really bad plan.
    True. But if you see a cop before he tells you to hold hands up and raise your shirt so they can see your beltline and stand there its surrendering. Probably not a smart way of surrendering, i usually only see it before people start a "honorable" fist fight so they can show they dont have a weapon but ive seen people lift their shirt up halfway when allowing a cop to approach them. Its like the "gangsters" way of saying "look im passive".

    Whenever a cop targets me I either put my hands open and facing up on the steering wheel or away from the core of my body. Just because i know how paranoid some of them are.
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Plus from what I remember wasn't the police report of the incident completely different than what the video shows happening? I'll have to pull it up later since I don't have time now.
    THAT is worthy of criminal charges more than anything. An accident is bad. A scandal to cover it up is even worse. And I am saying "accident." I haven't been able to watch the video. I will watch when I get off work. Thanks for posting btw.
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    No...its not and you just advocated that a man be killed in cold blood for playing with a toy.
    No. I advocated that someone be killed for creating a situation where any reasonable person would have cause to fear for their life.

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