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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I don't see why the police didn't stop, say, fifty yards away, and use the bullhorn to tell the kid to drop the gun. It's as if by pulling up right next to him, where he might easily have shot them if he had had a real gun, they were trying to create a pretext for shooting him. I doubt there was the premeditation needed to prove first-degree murder, but it certainly looks like unlawful homicide. I am glad to see the D.A. plans to use a grand jury.
    Well... You see.. A long time ago a melee martial arts expert demonstrated to cops that if someone with a knife sprints at you from 20 feet away they can pose a threat. So cops made policy that if someone is threatening and approaches the cop they are allowed to shoot @ 20 feet. So now instead of using it defensively cops walk forward to meet the person at 20 feet and then shoot them to death.
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    As a minimum, this statute was violated -



    If it's determined that the cops acted recklessly then they're toast.
    Cops were called to respond to a park where a kid is ON VIDEO threatening people with what looks very much like a gun. When cops arrive, the kid jumps up, raises his shirt exposing said weapon and reaches for said weapon and is shot.

    Thats not reckless. Thats doing their job. You want to get lost in the cute softened picture of the innocent little angel and what turned out to be a toy that his own grandmother stated was altered to look real...be my guest.

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    prove it. so far there is no evidence that they did.
    Like I said before, proof is for trials where all the evidence can be presented. What's at issue right now is whether a trial is warranted or not and, based on what has thus far been presented, there is absolutely reasonable cause to send this sucker to trial.

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    grand jury isn't going to put them for trial what was in the video.
    I am not sure what you are saying. According to the article linked to in the OP, Ohio law authorizes private citizens to petition a judge to recommend that a person be indicted for certain crimes. That is what this municipal court judge did, but his power is only advisory. The article says the District Attorney intends to use a grand jury, as his office usually has in cases like this.

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    And maybe they should learn not to lie? The video is irrafutable. Cop shows up and INSTANTLY shoots him dead with zero hesitation. Then he claimed that he told the kid to drop the weapon when its obvious the cop was scared and instantly shot him dead in under a second. Then the cop lied. Why did he lie? Because he knew he did something wrong..
    I would have shot him too. You tell me you can tell the difference between the gun the kid was holding a real one fast enough not to get yourself killed?
    I call BS if you think you can.

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    100% wrong. even if I am not a cop I am not going to wait for someone to pull a weapon that is walking toward me and reaching into their pants to pull a gun.
    But you can't tell from the video that he reached for the gun, pulled anything out, instead of reaching for his phone or pulling up his pants.

    And if you'll kill someone on mere suspicion, I hope you don't have a carry permit. It's why I'm not a big fan - people armed and ready to kill because they think there MIGHT be a threat is not my idea of a good thing.

    sure we do. he pulled up his shirt and was reaching for the gun. that is enough right there for the police or any other citizen to react.
    The caller said several times it might be fake. I hope you stay away from playgrounds. Kids playing cops and robbers and you might have to take out the whole kindergarten class.

    And you know he was reaching for a gun how?

    Let's assume you've got a gun in a shoulder holster. Do I get to assume that when you're reaching into your inner jacket pocket you're reaching for a gun and blow you away cause I'm skeered? Or should the standard be you pose an actual threat, pull the gun, threaten me, yell at me, something to indicate your intention is to 1) pull your gun and 2) use it to kill me? Women who carry a gun in their purse. What standard do I use to shoot them - when they put their hand in the purse or when they pull out a gun? Etc.....

    in that situation they shouldn't be expected to issue any kind of command. their safety is key.
    Why is their safety key, and not the civilians they're job is to protect?

    there was no execution (appeal to emotion)
    They shot the kid with the intent to kill, then stood around for 4 minutes watching him die. How would an execution be any different?

    since they aren't executing people (appeal to emotion) they acted within their right to protect themselves and others from people waving guns in public.
    Fake guns, guns that the caller suspected and told 911 she thought were fake.

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Cops were called to respond to a park where a kid is ON VIDEO threatening people with what looks very much like a gun. When cops arrive, the kid jumps up, raises his shirt exposing said weapon and reaches for said weapon and is shot.

    Thats not reckless. Thats doing their job. You want to get lost in the cute softened picture of the innocent little angel and what turned out to be a toy that his own grandmother stated was altered to look real...be my guest.
    I would (obviously) disagree.

    When the cops came on scene the kid did not have the weapon exposed and nobody else appeared to be in the immediate vicinity. At that point the cops responsibility was to determine whether or not the kid was the suspect they had been called about. They had the opportunity to exercise a more cautious approach to the situation and chose not to. That, by definition, is "reckless".

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

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    Tamir Rice: judge finds cause for murder charge over police killing of 12-year-old | US news | The Guardian

    Just saw this on my local news as well (Channel 12, CBS, Cincinnati)

    Judge Ronald Adrine of the Cleveland Municipal Court said there were grounds to prosecute Officer Timothy Loehmann with murder....

    I don't know if murder is going to fly but the shooting looked really bad and charges should be brought as well as a massive law suit
    Which means the case is in the same place it was.....the county prosecutor's office, where they will continue to examine the evidence, and if determined, convene a grand jury.

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Like I said before, proof is for trials where all the evidence can be presented. What's at issue right now is whether a trial is warranted or not and, based on what has thus far been presented, there is absolutely reasonable cause to send this sucker to trial.
    Lets say you are in the courtroom...room full of interested parties...jury, family, media...packed house. The attorney mutters something like "**** this" and reaches into his briefcase, pulls out this....

    Tamirs-Gun.jpg

    And shouts die mother****ers! and points the gun at people in the courtroom. What happens? Be honest.

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I would (obviously) disagree.

    When the cops came on scene the kid did not have the weapon exposed and nobody else appeared to be in the immediate vicinity. At that point the cops responsibility was to determine whether or not the kid was the suspect they had been called about. They had the opportunity to exercise a more cautious approach to the situation and chose not to. That, by definition, is "reckless".
    The second he jumped up, raised his shirt, and reached for the weapon, he gave the cops every reason to shoot him.

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