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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    so, according to you, the police should have let tamir actually pull the weapon, and then what?

    he was going for a weapon? yes or no?

    do you abdicate the person actually pointing it at a cop before the officer can respond?

    is that what you are saying?
    First, there was no weapon in Tamir Rice's possession.

    2nd, Tamir Rice didn't have time to draw or drop the toy. The police didn't know if he was going to draw his weapon or drop it on the ground. He never had time to do anything BUT die. In fact, they didn't even give him time to show the tip and therefore see if it's a toy or not.

    So to answer your question, yes. Give him time to relinquish the "weapon".

    3rd, you and others keep repeating the lie that Tamir Rice pointed the toy at the officers. He never actually pointed anything at the officers. The other lie is to continue to call the toy he was holding a weapon. It was not a weapon, even though it looked like one.
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Question - If the police were so terrified, why did they roll up so close to the boy? Couldn't they simply stop a few yards away and yell out for the boy to drop the supposed firearm?
    Depends. I wonder if they know the difference between cover and concealment and just how ****ty a car is for cover?

    Tell me...do you think they decided to execute this kid? Or do you think they were being jumpy morons? It is important to think about that. A dumbass rookie may do something stupid...but just because it is a 12 year old kid...doesn't erase the very real looking gun. Would you be shocked to hear a story about a kid firing shots at officers?

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    From the link in the op.

    “We are very much relieved and it is a step towards procedural justice and people having access to their government,” Madison told the Guardian.

    The judge’s finding followed community leaders taking advantage of a little-known law to appeal directly to the judge to commence a prosecution of the officer, as is permitted in Ohio and a few other states.

    “State law does provide an avenue for a private citizen having knowledge of facts to initiate the criminal process,” Adrine wrote in his order.

    Madison said the judge’s finding showed “the police are public servants and not the public’s master”.
    That in no way shows what you claimed. Especially as the Judge totally ignored what was on the known video unless it was illegally edited, which I would not put beyond a possibility being that the lawyer was Crump.
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    First, there was no weapon in Tamir Rice's possession.

    2nd, Tamir Rice didn't have time to draw or drop the toy. The police didn't know if he was going to draw his weapon or drop it on the ground. He never had time to do anything BUT die. In fact, they didn't even give him time to show the tip and therefore see if it's a toy or not.

    So to answer your question, yes. Give him time to relinquish the "weapon".

    3rd, you and others keep repeating the lie that Tamir Rice pointed the toy at the officers. He never actually pointed anything at the officers. The other lie is to continue to call the toy he was holding a weapon. It was not a weapon, even though it looked like one.



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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Bull****. This wasn't legal by any means. The cop drove up and shot no questions asked.

    You'll be amazed at how many 12 year olds will listen to an authority figure as compared to a more defiant adult.

    Wrong.
    The Officers pulled up and Tamir reached for the gun.
    The Officer responded appropriately.
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    so, according to you, the police should have let tamir actually pull the weapon, and then what?

    he was going for a weapon? yes or no?

    do you abdicate the person actually pointing it at a cop before the officer can respond?

    is that what you are saying?
    I guess I'd expect the police to use some common sense. If he was a dangerous criminal and the call was about a murder or shooting and they run up on the suspect of a violent crime, then shooting before they stop the car because the suspect made a suspicious move, even though not directly threatening, might make sense.

    But this was a call about a potential problem (whether they were notified that it might be a toy or not), and the person was 12 years old. No reports of gun fire or anyone assaulted or shot or robbed or raped. If they thought the person posed an imminent danger, they'd never have rolled up 5 feet from him. But they did and couldn't have possibly given any command or if they did given anyone the time to comply. So what you're blessing is immediate execution of anyone for the slightest SUSPICION of being a deadly threat. They couldn't have even seen an actual gun or what type of gun. He could have been reaching to pull up his pants.

    And what no one has mentioned is after the shooting the kid was still alive, and these brave men did NOTHING for 4 minutes. Just left him there dying. Finally an FBI agent nearby showed up and administered CPR, and he was rushed to ER where he later died.

    At the very least these cops need to be fired, the shooter out of law enforcement forever, and the city to pay out a nice sum. They just failed their duty at every opportunity.

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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Depends. I wonder if they know the difference between cover and concealment and just how ****ty a car is for cover?

    Tell me...do you think they decided to execute this kid? Or do you think they were being jumpy morons? It is important to think about that. A dumbass rookie may do something stupid...but just because it is a 12 year old kid...doesn't erase the very real looking gun. Would you be shocked to hear a story about a kid firing shots at officers?

    You can't decide guilt based on what should have been done. Only what was done.
    How about you answer my question before you start asking questions of your own?

    Anyway... I dunno if they decided to execute the kid because none of their actions make any sense to me. They had no reason to pull up like that. That's not being jumpy, because they were in fact overly aggressive. It was the cops who ran up on the kid. It was the cops were pulled their weapons first (I know this because the kid only had time to lift his shirt before being shot).

    What was done seals their guilt, not what I think they should have done.
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    First, there was no weapon in Tamir Rice's possession.

    2nd, Tamir Rice didn't have time to draw or drop the toy. The police didn't know if he was going to draw his weapon or drop it on the ground. He never had time to do anything BUT die. In fact, they didn't even give him time to show the tip and therefore see if it's a toy or not.

    So to answer your question, yes. Give him time to relinquish the "weapon".

    3rd, you and others keep repeating the lie that Tamir Rice pointed the toy at the officers. He never actually pointed anything at the officers. The other lie is to continue to call the toy he was holding a weapon. It was not a weapon, even though it looked like one.
    you are basing an opinion on facts that are known now, but were unknown then

    anyone can look back with hindsight and make different decisions

    1. tamir had a weapon....it was unknown if it was a toy or real
    2. he had raised his shirt and was reaching into his waistband where the weapon was located

    those are undeniable facts

    now, you want cops to wait to see what the person with the weapon will do before they react....

    they can be trained to do so.....and we will have a lot more dead cops on the street

    i never said, nor did i read anywhere on this post that Tamir pointed the weapon at the cops.....he did point it at other people earlier in the day, which is why 911 was called in the first place

    if it looks like a weapon.....do you really think a cop should wait until someone points it at them before reacting?
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Tamir Rice NEVER pointed the toy at the police.

    reread what luftwaffe said

    he pointed the weapon....not pointed it at the cops

    assumptions can be real bad errors
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    Re: Tamir Rice: Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing of 12 year-o

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    They had no reason to pull up like that.
    What do you mean they?
    The Officer who was a passenger was not driving.

    That Officer was then confronted with an individual going for a weapon.
    And yes, for the purposes of the discussion you look at it from the Officer's point of view. It was a weapon to them as that is what they were told it was.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    because they were in fact overly aggressive.
    The Officer who shot was not being overly aggressive.
    His response was appropriate, not overly aggressive.

    The driver pulling up where he did was odd but how you think that was overly aggressive is beyond reality.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    It was the cops who ran up on the kid. It was the cops were pulled their weapons first (I know this because the kid only had time to lift his shirt before being shot).
    Dishonesty.
    While the Officer did pull his firearm first it was in response to Tamir reaching for the gun in his waistband, not just lifting his shirt.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    What was done seals their guilt,
    Guilt? iLOL
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