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    Bernie Sanders wants to take back “family values” from the GOP


    And that my friends is how it's done. Don't ever concede BS talking points put forth by your opponents... own it yourself.

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    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post

    And that my friends is how it's done. Don't ever concede BS talking points put forth by your opponents... own it yourself.
    Hm. Firstly, its' interesting to see how the people he thinks should be paying for all these family benefits are not the families, or even the taxpayers, but third parties (it's always easier, I suppose, to sell something, when someone else has to pay for it). I'd take Sanders more seriously on this if he was willing to gouge his own ox on it.

    I'm on the fence about maternity leave. We need more children being born, that's true. It is indeed good for the women, good for the babies, and good for the families. Mandating maternity leave, however, unfairly advantages women in the workplace, as it means that hiring a woman comes with greater costs than hiring a man, and it means that investing time, training, promotion, etc. in a man is likely to have higher returns than investing those same resources in a woman. I'm all for women staying home with kids when they are little (I think kids need a parent at that age), but that still strikes me as somewhat unfair.
    “In America we have a two-party system,” a Republican congressional staffer told a visiting group of Russian legislators. “There is the stupid party. And there is the evil party. I am proud to be a member of the stupid party. Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called: bipartisanship."

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    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Hm. Firstly, its' interesting to see how the people he thinks should be paying for all these family benefits are not the families, or even the taxpayers, but third parties (it's always easier, I suppose, to sell something, when someone else has to pay for it). I'd take Sanders more seriously on this if he was willing to gouge his own ox on it.

    I'm on the fence about maternity leave. We need more children being born, that's true. It is indeed good for the women, good for the babies, and good for the families. Mandating maternity leave, however, unfairly advantages women in the workplace, as it means that hiring a woman comes with greater costs than hiring a man, and it means that investing time, training, promotion, etc. in a man is likely to have higher returns than investing those same resources in a woman. I'm all for women staying home with kids when they are little (I think kids need a parent at that age), but that still strikes me as somewhat unfair.
    I believe what he's getting behind on Gillibrand's proposal is parental leave. Not a women's only maternity leave.

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    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I believe what he's getting behind on Gillibrand's proposal is parental leave. Not a women's only maternity leave.
    From the Article:

    ...“He then outlined three family-oriented policies that would be at the center of his “Family Values Plan”: making sure that all American have 12 weeks of paid maternity leave, paid sick leave and 10 days a year of paid vacation time....
    “In America we have a two-party system,” a Republican congressional staffer told a visiting group of Russian legislators. “There is the stupid party. And there is the evil party. I am proud to be a member of the stupid party. Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called: bipartisanship."

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    Hell I'm on the Bernie bandwagon and I am Canadian! The points he brings up are no-brainers to me. I just learned a few months ago that the US does not have a national parental leave time law and I couldn't believe it. Here in Canada, we get one year.
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    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Hm. Firstly, its' interesting to see how the people he thinks should be paying for all these family benefits are not the families, or even the taxpayers, but third parties (it's always easier, I suppose, to sell something, when someone else has to pay for it). I'd take Sanders more seriously on this if he was willing to gouge his own ox on it.

    I'm on the fence about maternity leave. We need more children being born, that's true. It is indeed good for the women, good for the babies, and good for the families. Mandating maternity leave, however, unfairly advantages women in the workplace, as it means that hiring a woman comes with greater costs than hiring a man, and it means that investing time, training, promotion, etc. in a man is likely to have higher returns than investing those same resources in a woman. I'm all for women staying home with kids when they are little (I think kids need a parent at that age), but that still strikes me as somewhat unfair.
    The rest of the world does it... so why do you not think it does not work? We have laws here protecting women against discrimination.
    “No men are anywhere, and I’m allowed to go in, because I’m the owner of the pageant and therefore I’m inspecting it,” Trump said... “‘Is everyone OK’? You know, they’re standing there with no clothes. ‘Is everybody OK?’ And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.”

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    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    The only candidate so far who is addressing real issues and offering real solutions is Bernie Sanders. God, the guy is a breath of fresh air. Who doesn't support the family values Sanders is talking about?

    Every time I hear him talk I agree with him.

    Go Bernie!










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    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    From the Article:
    Yeah that's yahoo... but watch the video. He spells it out more than what they apparently wrote up. I also went and read about Gillibrand's views which is who Sanders is referring to about family leave...

    Kirsten believes that it is critical to have a paid family and medical leave program that helps families after the birth of a newborn baby or when there is a seriously ill child, spouse, or parent. She supports helping states implement a paid leave program. She also supports The Federal Employees Paid Parental Leave Act that would provide federal employees with four weeks of paid parental leave after the birth or adoption of a child.

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    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

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    The rest of the world does it... so why do you not think it does not work? We have laws here protecting women against discrimination.
    I didn't say it doesn't work - I said it has negative effects on women in the workplace, as it makes them a greater risk and more expensive to hire, train, and promote.
    “In America we have a two-party system,” a Republican congressional staffer told a visiting group of Russian legislators. “There is the stupid party. And there is the evil party. I am proud to be a member of the stupid party. Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called: bipartisanship."

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    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    The only candidate so far who is addressing real issues and offering real solutions is Bernie Sanders. God, the guy is a breath of fresh air. Who doesn't support the family values Sanders is talking about?

    Every time I hear him talk I agree with him.

    Go Bernie!
    Here... have another:

    Bernie Sanders Takes It to Wall Street With Financial Transactions Tax

    Last week, Bernie Sanders, the Senator from Vermont and only announced challenger to Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination, took a strong stand for everyday people. He proposed a financial transactions tax (FTT), effectively a Wall Street sales tax, and to use the revenue to make public colleges tuition free.

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