Page 4 of 33 FirstFirst ... 2345614 ... LastLast
Results 31 to 40 of 329

Thread: Bernie Sanders wants to take back “family values” from the GOP

  1. #31
    Sage
    cpwill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    USofA
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    56,245

    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    From his site:

    Join Bernie Sanders to Support 12 Weeks of Paid Family Leave

    The United States is the only developed nation in the world without guaranteed, paid parental leave. A democratic, civilized society should guarantee these benefits for the working families and middle class of our country.

    That's why Bernie Sanders supports 12 weeks of paid family leave. Say you support paid leave for mothers and fathers too.
    then the relative effects are reduced to the extent that men take full advantage of that 12 weeks at the same rate as women. Which they are (realistically) unlikely to do. It becomes additionally ageist in its effects.
    “In America we have a two-party system,” a Republican congressional staffer told a visiting group of Russian legislators. “There is the stupid party. And there is the evil party. I am proud to be a member of the stupid party. Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called: bipartisanship."

  2. #32
    Sage
    poweRob's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Last Seen
    Today @ 08:42 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    30,863

    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    It fills my heart with warmth to see so many likely Democrat voters eager to flush their vote down the toilet. Go Bernie!
    Um... how is exactly would it be flushing one's vote down the toilet? He's in the primary... not the general soooo... what's your point again?
    “I’ve been around for a long time and it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans.” -- Donald Trump

    MEIN COVFEFE!

  3. #33
    Sewer Rat
    Risky Thicket's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Last Seen
    Today @ 08:37 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    23,105

    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Parenthetically, I would like to bring it to everyone's attention that at least we are discussing it, thanks to Sanders. It's the kind of discussion we should be having about our own self governance. It is healthy for America to have these kinds of discussions. This is what campaigning should be about - but rarely is anymore.

    I appreciate it and I appreciate Sanders because of it. He is actually inviting American voters to think. Sadly, that is a departure from the norm.










    "When Faith preaches Hate, Blessed are the Doubters." - Amin Maalouf

    When trouble arises and things look bad, there is always one individual who perceives a solution and is willing to take command. Very often, that person is crazy. ~Dave Barry



  4. #34
    Sage
    Chomsky's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Location
    Third Coast
    Last Seen
    Today @ 04:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    16,731

    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Bam!

    I like this guy!
    "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

    The 10 Commandments of Logic - (Courtesy of Abbazorkzog Blog)

  5. #35
    Sewer Rat
    Risky Thicket's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Last Seen
    Today @ 08:37 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    23,105

    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Um... how is exactly would it be flushing one's vote down the toilet? He's in the primary... not the general soooo... what's your point again?

    It is obvious that he doesn't have a point.










    "When Faith preaches Hate, Blessed are the Doubters." - Amin Maalouf

    When trouble arises and things look bad, there is always one individual who perceives a solution and is willing to take command. Very often, that person is crazy. ~Dave Barry



  6. #36
    Liberal Fascist For Life!


    Redress's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Georgia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 08:36 PM
    Lean
    Very Liberal
    Posts
    91,444
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Ah yes, and between the employees whom the law is for or the government which will be passing this law, which one of those two actors will be picking up the tab for the lost productivity, any required salary for the employee, etc?

    If, as you say, it's not a third party, like, for example, an employer.



    Ah. So it would be a third party.

    To an extent, yes. If you'll look through some of the data I quickly posted above, for example, you will note that two studies found that basically employers took it out of women's wages, and one found that they took it out of women's wages and the resources dedicated to developing them for promotion.

    So, indirectly you could say that it's women who have to pay the cost... I suppose.

    ...But that would sort of be the exact point I am making....



    that it makes it more difficult for women to enter the workforce and get promoted once they are there is the argument against that I am aware of. When you raise the price of something, you usually lower relative demand for it.



    He described it as "a woman after having a baby". If he means both parents, well, then that would be a different kettle of fish.
    You are so focused on the gender issue(despite him saying "all Americans", which does include men), that you never actually addressed anything I said except from that slant. SO let's look at your assumption, which is false. Source 1: Sanders Announces Family Values Agenda - Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont

    Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) today outlined a family values agenda, a package of legislation to provide paid family and medical leave, paid sick leave and paid vacation. “When you look at what other wealthy countries are doing, what you find is that the United States of America is the only advanced economy that does not guarantee its workers some form of paid family leave, paid sick time or paid vacation time. In other words, when it comes to basic workplace protections and family benefits, workers in every other major industrialized country in the world get a better deal than workers in the United States. That is wrong,” Sanders said.
    Source 2: http://www.sanders.senate.gov/downlo...ct?inline=file

    For formatting reasons(I hate having to take out the 1000000 line breaks those things put in) I am not quoting the bill he cosponsered and referenced in his speech, but it is clearly family leave, not maternity leave.

    So can we talk about what he is really proposing instead of what you assume he is proposing?
    We became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers - Lindsey Graham

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Uh oh Megyn...your vagina witchcraft is about ready to be exposed.

  7. #37
    Sage
    poweRob's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Last Seen
    Today @ 08:42 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    30,863

    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Parenthetically, I would like to bring it to everyone's attention that at least we are discussing it, thanks to Sanders. It's the kind of discussion we should be having about our own self governance. It is healthy for America to have these kinds of discussions. This is what campaigning should be about - but rarely is anymore.

    I appreciate it and I appreciate Sanders because of it. He is actually inviting American voters to think. Sadly, that is a departure from the norm.
    This will warm your heart a touch if you didn't see this:


    This shocked even the Bernie camp in that they didn't have any reps there working the crowd.
    “I’ve been around for a long time and it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans.” -- Donald Trump

    MEIN COVFEFE!

  8. #38
    Sage
    jmotivator's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    07-24-17 @ 08:17 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    15,507

    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Um... how is exactly would it be flushing one's vote down the toilet? He's in the primary... not the general soooo... what's your point again?
    The scenario I see playing out is this:

    Bernie gets a substantial turn out in the primaries but still falls a bit short of Hilary who gets the party nomination.

    Bernie then assumes that he can do on a national level what he did in Vermont based on his surprising appeal in the primaries. Sanders decides to run as an Independent in the general election just as he does in Vermont, effectively Ross Perot-ing Hilary's presidential bid.
    Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he stops voting for the Free Fish party.

  9. #39
    Sage
    poweRob's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Last Seen
    Today @ 08:42 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    30,863

    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The scenario I see playing out is this:

    Bernie gets a substantial turn out in the primaries but still falls a bit short of Hilary who gets the party nomination.

    Bernie then assumes that he can do on a national level what he did in Vermont based on his surprising appeal in the primaries. Sanders decides to run as an Independent in the general election just as he does in Vermont, effectively Ross Perot-ing Hilary's presidential bid.
    Sorry to burst your bubble...

    If Bernie Sanders Runs For President, It Won’t Be as an Independent: “I will not be a spoiler”

    To the dismay some idealists, Sanders rejected the idea of running for president as an independent. “No matter what I do, I will not be a spoiler,” Sanders said. “I will not play that role in helping to elect some right-wing Republican as President of the United States.”
    “I’ve been around for a long time and it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans.” -- Donald Trump

    MEIN COVFEFE!

  10. #40
    Black Is Smart
    Van Basten's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    The New New Frontier
    Last Seen
    07-08-17 @ 07:09 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Liberal
    Posts
    4,661

    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Bernie says a lot of good stuff, it definitely outnumbers the meh stuff he pushes, though he loses me when I heard about him wanting a $15 dollar minimum wage and free public university -- I could run with the first two years being free given the core curriculum crap we all have to deal with though.

    He knows he can't win the big show, but he'll bring serious issues up and smack around a number of the better funded, yet comparatively poorly spoken candidates running against him. Really hope he pushes on the infrastructure issue.

    I never planned on voting for him though, but that's another story.
    "We have more responsibility than power, I think. The newspaper can create great controversies, stir up arguments within the community or discussion, can throw light on injustices....just as it can do the opposite. It can hide things and be a great power for evil." -- Rupert Murdoch, 1968

Page 4 of 33 FirstFirst ... 2345614 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •