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    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    If a year of paid leave made workers more productive, American companies would already be giving that benefit to their employees. I'm not aware of a single one that offers such a thing.
    If that happened, then nobody would be working. And it's not common sense to do so... unless the woman gave birth. Think a woman is as productive coming back to work soon after giving birth?
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    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

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    If that happened, then nobody would be working. And it's not common sense to do so... unless the woman gave birth. Think a woman is as productive coming back to work soon after giving birth?
    Yes, I do.

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    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

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    And there are places that allow that maternity leave to be used between parents, rather than by just one parent, just the mother. The father could take the 12 weeks of leave and allow the mother to work instead.
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    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And there are places that allow that maternity leave to be used between parents, rather than by just one parent, just the mother. The father could take the 12 weeks of leave and allow the mother to work instead.
    potentially. You have kids, correct? What do you think the odds are of, 24 hours post-birth, you and your husband deciding that you were ready to hop back into it and him deciding that he was going to take some time off to stay at home with the baby?
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    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    potentially. You have kids, correct? What do you think the odds are of, 24 hours post-birth, you and your husband deciding that you were ready to hop back into it and him deciding that he was going to take some time off to stay at home with the baby?
    I know a woman who did "hop back into it". She was in the same office I was in, working a week after the birth. My husband stayed at home with our son the first 5 months of his life and I went back to work (still active duty at the time) after my month and a half off (I got paid leave for that time from the military, the same as my husband got when he had the multiple surgeries on his knee). I could have gone back after a week or two off physically (I was in the hospital for three days after my first son was born, and had stitches in a place I sit down on, along with breastfeeding).
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    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Yes, I do.
    Good for you. However, it's not reality. Not even close...
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    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I know a woman who did "hop back into it". She was in the same office I was in, working a week after the birth.
    Yeah? And how many do you think do that v fathers?

    My husband stayed at home with our son the first 5 months of his life and I went back to work (still active duty at the time) after my month and a half off (I got paid leave for that time from the military, the same as my husband got when he had the multiple surgeries on his knee)
    So... you got six weeks of maternity leave. Yup.

    Which works for government sector because there are no price pressures, no need to perform, and we don't care if we run a massive loss or a profit or what. But mandating it for business makes women more expensive and a higher risk. And will continue to do so even if you make it for either parent simply because the mother is - in the vast majority of cases - going to be the employee you lose, rather than the father. Businesses will make rational decisions accordingly.


    Anywho, I necro this thread in order to point out that Marco Rubio has come out with a way to square a bit of that circle as part of the platform he's running on.

    From the website:

    Expanding access to paid family leave is part of Marco’s pro-family, pro-growth agenda. The status quo too often forces workers — especially new mothers — to quit their job permanently when they need time away from it, making it harder to return to work one day.

    Done right, policies that encourage paid family leave can help Americans keep their jobs while focusing on their most important responsibilities: welcoming new life, caring for an ailing loved one, or supporting family members deploying to serve our nation.

    Democrats like Hillary Clinton believe outdated, costly federal mandates coupled with new tax increases are the right approach, but we can do better in the 21st Century. Another one-size-fits-all burden from Washington is wrong for America’s diverse, dynamic workforce and middle-class families, especially when our country is struggling under the weight of Obamacare and other new costly regulations. The big government approach to paid family leave will cause employers to end or reduce more generous plans and make it harder for women to enter the workforce, while creating an expensive new entitlement. Efforts to encourage paid family leave should support workers — not hold them back.

    To help businesses expand access to paid family leave, Marco is proposing:

    Tax Relief for Employers Providing Paid Family Leave

    The plan: A 25% non-refundable tax credit for businesses that voluntarily offer at least four weeks of paid family leave, limited to twelve weeks of leave and $4,000 per employee each year.

    Marco’s plan is:
    •Adaptable to all employee arrangements, including part-time work.
    Available for new parents; caretakers of sick parents, spouses, and children; employees with serious illnesses; and military families.
    •Based on the Strong Families Act, introduced by Senators Deb Fischer (R-NE) and Angus King (I-ME).

    Marco’s proposal is part of his broader effort to strengthen middle-class families and grow the economy.

    For instance, he also supports proposals to expand workplace flexibility by allowing employers to provide workers with a choice between receiving monetary compensation or paid leave for working overtime....
    “In America we have a two-party system,” a Republican congressional staffer told a visiting group of Russian legislators. “There is the stupid party. And there is the evil party. I am proud to be a member of the stupid party. Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called: bipartisanship."

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    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

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    It fills my heart with warmth to see so many likely Democrat voters eager to flush their vote down the toilet. Go Bernie!
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    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yeah? And how many do you think do that v fathers?

    So... you got six weeks of maternity leave. Yup.

    Which works for government sector because there are no price pressures, no need to perform, and we don't care if we run a massive loss or a profit or what. But mandating it for business makes women more expensive and a higher risk. And will continue to do so even if you make it for either parent simply because the mother is - in the vast majority of cases - going to be the employee you lose, rather than the father. Businesses will make rational decisions accordingly.


    Anywho, I necro this thread in order to point out that Marco Rubio has come out with a way to square a bit of that circle as part of the platform he's running on.

    From the website:
    You do understand that this girl was in the military right? She also was a single mother (I was the only married mother in admin).

    And those things are great, but that doesn't mean other things he suggests are just as great. Is that time available for alternative parenting situations? Are businesses allowed to descriminate and still get those tax breaks?
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    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You do understand that this girl was in the military right?
    Yup. And I agree to give it every other impact that an anecdote gets against the actual stats.

    But hey - if you have numbers that suggest that in anything close to 50% of cases the woman will hop right back into the workforce while the man stays home, I'd love to see them.

    And those things are great, but that doesn't mean other things he suggests are just as great. Is that time available for alternative parenting situations? Are businesses allowed to descriminate and still get those tax breaks?
    Businesses get the tax breaks only to the extent that they give the family leave to the employees, within an annual cap. What encourages discrimination in this sphere is making it mandatory.
    “In America we have a two-party system,” a Republican congressional staffer told a visiting group of Russian legislators. “There is the stupid party. And there is the evil party. I am proud to be a member of the stupid party. Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called: bipartisanship."

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