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    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

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    I can tell you that I have never personally felt slighted when looking for a job, nor do I know of anyone who was not hired because they were of child-bearing age. Not saying it's never happened, but personally -- nor through the news cycle -- have I ever heard of a case (or do not recall) in Canada where a woman was not hired for a job because she could potentially have a child. Heck my workplace just hired a woman who was pregnant, because she was the best candidate (like it should be!). As I said before, we have strong laws against such things, and a business is taking a great risk if they choose to practice such misogyny.

    On another note, I failed to mention that here in Canada, there is a guaranteed year of mat leave. However, if the father chooses to take some time off, he can. For instance, the woman could take 8 months and the man 4.
    ...simply on a realistic note, I have a hard time imagining the positions where the best person for the job can be someone who isn't going to be doing it for the next year.
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    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

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    This is going to tighten up big time... Eight freegin months still to go before primary season. Come on Bernie!
    I love this.
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    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Ready for Warren Becomes Ready to Fight and Backs Bernie Sanders | The Nation

    And the momentum for Bernie keeps growing.

    The big group that tried to draft elizabeth warren is now thrown their lot in with sanders.

    Right on Bernie!
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    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Ready for Warren Becomes Ready to Fight and Backs Bernie Sanders | The Nation

    And the momentum for Bernie keeps growing.

    The big group that tried to draft elizabeth warren is now thrown their lot in with sanders.

    Right on Bernie!
    Yes, he corralled all of the lunatics and low information voters into one big happy voting block.

    Unfortunately for him, and you is that won't be enough to convince millions of Americans that Socialism and or his " 12 point plan " to move America forward are worth considering.

    Honestly, his ideas are a disaster. Basically, divisive identity politics, taxes on the " Rich " and Corporations and " stimulus to increase aggregate demand ".
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    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Sanders is obviously the best candidate that we have for president and I will support him wholeheartedly. Personally, however, I'd prefer that sick leave and parental leave were guaranteed through a basic minimum income provided by the government rather than a mandate on business. Since we don't have a basic minimum income, it's imperative that we push for paid parental leave, sick leave, and vacation time, since people don't currently have access to these things.

    As far as rhetoric goes, I really enjoy the re-appropriation of family values, although I have little faith that the "grass is greener on the other side" Scandinavian worship is going to be very popular with voters.
    Social democrat is no longer an accurate description of my views.

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    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Hell I'm on the Bernie bandwagon and I am Canadian! The points he brings up are no-brainers to me. I just learned a few months ago that the US does not have a national parental leave time law and I couldn't believe it. Here in Canada, we get one year.
    If I own a business, why should I have to pay you for one year for not working?

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    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Hm. Firstly, its' interesting to see how the people he thinks should be paying for all these family benefits are not the families, or even the taxpayers, but third parties (it's always easier, I suppose, to sell something, when someone else has to pay for it). I'd take Sanders more seriously on this if he was willing to gouge his own ox on it.

    I'm on the fence about maternity leave. We need more children being born, that's true. It is indeed good for the women, good for the babies, and good for the families. Mandating maternity leave, however, unfairly advantages women in the workplace, as it means that hiring a woman comes with greater costs than hiring a man, and it means that investing time, training, promotion, etc. in a man is likely to have higher returns than investing those same resources in a woman. I'm all for women staying home with kids when they are little (I think kids need a parent at that age), but that still strikes me as somewhat unfair.
    I agree children need a healthy family, a parent at home and a stable community. The rest of your view seems narrow and corporate centric. These third parties don't exist in isolation. Every corporations existence rests on a charter of public trust. This includes civic, social, family, community, environment.. trust that they will value these issues as much as they do the bottom line and as much as we the people do.

    Other nations have figured out that in order to compete with the juggernaut America in innovation, quality of life, standard of living, etc with smaller territories and fewer resources... You MUST invest in the children, their health, education, families and communities.

    It's far too short sighted to complain about who's going to pay for it, or whether it's unfair. Men are disposable, expendable. Women are the only ones who can bring forth healthier, smarter, more well adjusted new life into the world. It's the human capital that a makes a country great.. Every "citizen" of this country should be behind.

    Want to make America great again? Make its people more than pay check to paycheck cash machines for the bottom line. Make its people great.
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    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    I agree children need a healthy family, a parent at home and a stable community. The rest of your view seems narrow and corporate centric. These third parties don't exist in isolation. Every corporations existence rests on a charter of public trust. This includes civic, social, family, community, environment.. trust that they will value these issues as much as they do the bottom line and as much as we the people do.

    Other nations have figured out that in order to compete with the juggernaut America in innovation, quality of life, standard of living, etc with smaller territories and fewer resources... You MUST invest in the children, their health, education, families and communities.

    It's far too short sighted to complain about who's going to pay for it, or whether it's unfair. Men are disposable, expendable. Women are the only ones who can bring forth healthier, smarter, more well adjusted new life into the world. It's the human capital that a makes a country great.. Every "citizen" of this country should be behind.

    Want to make America great again? Make its people more than pay check to paycheck cash machines for the bottom line. Make its people great.
    you can't. Americans make plenty enough to not live paycheck to paycheck - they just don't want to badly enough to limit their consumption. Americans spend more on their kids' health, education, etc. than other nations - we just don't love them enough to not get divorced / have them out of wedlock. Fathers are not disposable or expendable, and if you doubt that, check out the stats. The problems with America's kids, by and large, are mostly the fault of regular old Americans. Higher taxes and a few weeks of parental leave aren't going to fix that.
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    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    If I own a business, why should I have to pay you for one year for not working?
    Because having happy, healthy and well-grounded employees makes them more productive. That's why.
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    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Because having happy, healthy and well-grounded employees makes them more productive. That's why.
    If a year of paid leave made workers more productive, American companies would already be giving that benefit to their employees. I'm not aware of a single one that offers such a thing.

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