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Bernie Sanders wants to take back “family values” from the GOP

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It's just realistic to not see him winning, but I respect his tenacity.

Do you honestly think he could win the nomination?


If all the people who wouldn't vote for him simply because they think he can't win would vote for him then he'd have an undeniable shot. It's as simple as that.
 
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Like the guy, and that's an understatement, but a dark horse he ain't.
 
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Hell I'm on the Bernie bandwagon and I am Canadian! The points he brings up are no-brainers to me. I just learned a few months ago that the US does not have a national parental leave time law and I couldn't believe it. Here in Canada, we get one year.

sadly and amazingly we are like the only advance country that doesnt off it . . so sad we are so behind on some issues . . .

Parental leave - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Sorry to burst your bubble...

If Bernie Sanders Runs For President, It Won’t Be as an Independent: “I will not be a spoiler”

To the dismay some idealists, Sanders rejected the idea of running for president as an independent. “No matter what I do, I will not be a spoiler,” Sanders said. “I will not play that role in helping to elect some right-wing Republican as President of the United States.”

So he says now. But after being subjected to the Clinton war machine for an entire primary he'll be less than gracious, especially if he believes he can steal enough independents to win as an Independent.
 
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:raises eyebrow: huh? What part of then the relative effects are reduced to the extent that men take full advantage of that 12 weeks at the same rate as women flew past you?

I agree the effects are reduced. But Employers make rational decisions. In countries with maternity leave, we see them doing so. They will continue to do so. See that earlier bit about employers in Britain? They have parental leave for both genders there, too. And the effect is problematic for women.

As I said, I'm on the fence on this - I agree with Sanders it's a "pro family" policy. It's also a "pro-baby" policy, and I'm one of those weirdo's who thinks that, if we are going to depend on future generations to support us, we should remember to have them. I am unsure if it's a "pro family earning a good income" policy, and I think it has unfair unintended consequences. Namely:


Pew Research and the OECD comes to the same conclusion that cpwill does:

Ever hear the saying about correlation not necessarily being causation? It is a pretty important concept.
 
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I admire Sanders conviction and believe that he feels what he is proposing would help American families but I have to disagree somewhat. Sometimes you have to look beyond intent and look at the bigger picture. I feel that such legislation (among some of his other proposals) will only spur more US businesses to outsource or move overseas into countries that do not place such a financial burden and inconsistent worker onto the business. It also makes investing in employee replacing technologies more appealing.

While I do not believe Sanders bill will push us over the edge I do believe it will further erode our competitive business environment when frankly we need to spur more incentive to run a business here and not drive more away. Parental leave, sick leave, and vacation time are great but those are not going to do a lot of good if the jobs are not there to be had.
 
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The scenario I see playing out is this:

Bernie gets a substantial turn out in the primaries but still falls a bit short of Hilary who gets the party nomination.

Bernie then assumes that he can do on a national level what he did in Vermont based on his surprising appeal in the primaries. Sanders decides to run as an Independent in the general election just as he does in Vermont, effectively Ross Perot-ing Hilary's presidential bid.
Bernie Sanders is not a dope.
 
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The critics have no problem maintaining the Pentagons budget which is way past legitimate defense, or increasing Israel's welfare check, but this, oh hell no!
 
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Here... have another:

Bernie Sanders Takes It to Wall Street With Financial Transactions Tax

Last week, Bernie Sanders, the Senator from Vermont and only announced challenger to Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination, took a strong stand for everyday people. He proposed a financial transactions tax (FTT), effectively a Wall Street sales tax, and to use the revenue to make public colleges tuition free.​

That's a little too far, public college should be cheaper by half, but not free.

I also don't trust congress to keep the FTT revenue dedicated to college. They'll eventually use it for everything else
 
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This will warm your heart a touch if you didn't see this:


This shocked even the Bernie camp in that they didn't have any reps there working the crowd.
Yep I may go caucus with dems this year just to support Bernie.

Urban liberals are destroying america, it's time to return to the orginal values of the progressive movement and I think Bernie well represents that
 
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Odd that he is polling so low amongst democrats as compared to Hillary Clinton. Those Hillary fans must love her platform far more than they love Bernie's.
 
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Sorry to burst your bubble...

If Bernie Sanders Runs For President, It Won’t Be as an Independent: “I will not be a spoiler”

To the dismay some idealists, Sanders rejected the idea of running for president as an independent. “No matter what I do, I will not be a spoiler,” Sanders said. “I will not play that role in helping to elect some right-wing Republican as President of the United States.”

Except he wants to be the first nominee of the Democratic Party who is not, has not been, and never will be, a Democrat.
 
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From the Article:

I'm not having more kids, so what's his point?
 
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Ever hear the saying about correlation not necessarily being causation? It is a pretty important concept.

:doh


Okay. You're right. Math is wrong, and the need to pretend that a desired policy has no unintended consequences is right. Clearly Redress knows' Pew Research's job better than they do, because otherwise the world might be a complex place rather than a nice, clean, partisan one. :roll:


They drew out the causal link for you. It's bolded.


Seriously, Redress, that was the response-equivalent of "nuh-UH!!!".
 
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Except he wants to be the first nominee of the Democratic Party who is not, has not been, and never will be, a Democrat.

He's always been a democrat. He just calls himself something else. He's always been understood as a democrat, always caucused with the democrats, his committee assignments have always counted against democrats, he's a democrat.
 
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I like Bernie and I like a lot of his ideas.

I got 8 weeks paid maternity leave (I had a C-section so I got an extra 2 weeks) with my last one, the only one I had while working. My husband didn't get any time off for my births. I had 3 little ones under the age of 4 at home, one of them a newborn. I did fine. We did fine.

Unfortunately someone has to pay for all of these great idea Bernie has.
 
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He's always been a democrat. He just calls himself something else. He's always been understood as a democrat, always caucused with the democrats, his committee assignments have always counted against democrats, he's a democrat.

You may want him to be, but he is not. I can't find another prominent politician that didn't at least start out as a member of one of the parties. Bernie never has been a Democrat in any office he ran for or held. He uses the Democratic party as a tool but does not want to be part of them any more than he has to.
 
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Except he wants to be the first nominee of the Democratic Party who is not, has not been, and never will be, a Democrat.

If he voted with the other party once in a while, I'd be comfortable saying he isn't a Democrat. He is. He's actually a Democrat on socialist steroids.
 
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You may want him to be, but he is not. I can't find another prominent politician that didn't at least start out as a member of one of the parties. Bernie never has been a Democrat in any office he ran for or held. He uses the Democratic party as a tool but does not want to be part of them any more than he has to.

:lol: okedoke :) Sure.


Since he's so independent, what issues does he vote with the Republican party on?
 
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If he voted with the other party once in a while, I'd be comfortable saying he isn't a Democrat. He is. He's actually a Democrat on socialist steroids.

His voting doesn't determine party membership. He voted against the nomination of John Brennan as Director of CIA when most of the Democratic Party supported it. If I had to classify him, I'd say he was a Socialistic Libertarian.


:lol: okedoke :) Sure.


Since he's so independent, what issues does he vote with the Republican party on?

There are two kinds of people in the world, those who divide things into two groups, and those who don't. Again, voting doesn't determine party membership, joining a party determines party membership. Bernie has never joined.

Face it, he knows he can't win as an Independent and he may cherry pick the benefits he wants to take from the Democratic party. If he were to caucus with the Congressional Black Caucus, that wouldn't make him Black.
 
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There are two kinds of people in the world, those who divide things into two groups, and those who don't.

well played, lol.

:lol:
 
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His voting doesn't determine party membership. He voted against the nomination of John Brennan as Director of CIA when most of the Democratic Party supported it. If I had to classify him, I'd say he was a Socialistic Libertarian.




There are two kinds of people in the world, those who divide things into two groups, and those who don't. Again, voting doesn't determine party membership, joining a party determines party membership. Bernie has never joined.

Face it, he knows he can't win as an Independent and he may cherry pick the benefits he wants to take from the Democratic party. If he were to caucus with the Congressional Black Caucus, that wouldn't make him Black.


He doesn't oppose the Democratic ideas. He doesn't fight them. He blindly votes with them almost 100% of the time. He runs in his own state as something other than a Democrat because that flies in Vermont. He is a Democrat.
 
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His voting doesn't determine party membership. He voted against the nomination of John Brennan as Director of CIA when most of the Democratic Party supported it. If I had to classify him, I'd say he was a Socialistic Libertarian.




There are two kinds of people in the world, those who divide things into two groups, and those who don't. Again, voting doesn't determine party membership, joining a party determines party membership. Bernie has never joined.

Face it, he knows he can't win as an Independent and he may cherry pick the benefits he wants to take from the Democratic party. If he were to caucus with the Congressional Black Caucus, that wouldn't make him Black.
"Socialistic libertarian"? You're kidding, right? Is that like dry water? :roll:

Sanders is revered by The Communist Party USA. Nuff said. ;)
 
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Odd that he is polling so low amongst democrats as compared to Hillary Clinton. Those Hillary fans must love her platform far more than they love Bernie's.

Polling at this point is far less about platform than it is a name recognition popularity contest. This will change as he keeps gathering these large crowds... provided the media stop ignoring him so much to address the urgent stories of how Rick Perry sneezed today or Hillary bought a new pant suit.
 
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