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    Re: Bernie Sanders wants to take back “family values” from the GOP

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You're misrepresenting Sanders, I believe he's talking about Wall Street and the 1%!!!! Not the middle class which will be the beneficiaries of a Sanders presidency.
    The hell they will benefit the Middle class.

    Destructive, retarded and regressive Policies like that kind that Sanders is proposing ALWAYS nail the middle class.

    From his Global warming "solutions" to his proposal to borrow and spend this economy into prosperity almost everyone of his iniatives would wind up hurting the Middle class the most.

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    Re: Bernie Sanders wants to take back “family values” from the GOP

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Sanders is a mouse fart. For all the hype and support being shown him, he wont stand a chance of unseating Hillary, will put heat on her that wont be healthy, and will be shut down by the democrats long before he makes a dent in anything. Even if Hillary drops out he will be cast aside for someone like Webb or Warren that is electable.

    Face it. All this REALLY means is that dems HATE having to vote for Hillary...and when the time comes they will belly up, swallow hard and do it with a smile.
    Sanders is a GOP concern.

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    Re: Bernie Sanders wants to take back “family values” from the GOP

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    The hell they will benefit the Middle class.

    Destructive, retarded and regressive Policies like that kind that Sanders is proposing ALWAYS nail the middle class.

    From his Global warming "solutions" to his proposal to borrow and spend this economy into prosperity almost everyone of his iniatives would wind up hurting the Middle class the most.
    Yes, Bernies policies are destruction.

    The CBS/NYT poll found that:

    – 80% of Republicans believe that money has too much influence in our politics.

    – 54% believed that most of the time candidates directly help those who gave money to them.

    – 81% of Republicans felt that the campaign finance system needed fundamental changes (45%) or a complete rebuild (36%).

    – 64% are pessimistic that changes will be made to reform the campaign finance system.

    – 71% want to limit the amount that individuals can give to campaigns.

    – 73% felt that super PAC spending should be limited by law.

    – 76% thought that superPACs should be required to disclose their donors.

    All of these positions are held by Bernie Sanders, and the opinion of the majority on each question is the exact opposite of the reasoning used by the majority of the Supreme Court in the Citizens United decision.
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    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And Sanders then tells you that the same people pay for everything - the American people - and launches into a stinging rebuke of the current tax reality in the USA which basically allows the upper class to enjoy the same or even lesser tax bite as the middle class and why we must change that so that it is far more progressive and has corporations paying far more than they do today.

    Lots of working class people would respond to that very positively.
    So you're saying he'd lie, then.

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    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You're misrepresenting Sanders, I believe he's talking about Wall Street and the 1%!!!! Not the middle class which will be the beneficiaries of a Sanders presidency.
    Nope, if Sanders has left you with the impression that the 1% would pay for everything then you have been misled. The middle class always pays for this stuff because that's where the bulk of the money is.

    Democrats always say they are going to sock the rich, and then the middle class finds out they're rich. A person has to be a real dunderhead to fall for that every time.

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    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    So you're saying he'd lie, then.
    I do not follow... can you explain why he would be lying?
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    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Nope, if Sanders has left you with the impression that the 1% would pay for everything then you have been misled. The middle class always pays for this stuff because that's where the bulk of the money is.

    Democrats always say they are going to sock the rich, and then the middle class finds out they're rich. A person has to be a real dunderhead to fall for that every time.
    What do you mean - that is where the bulk of the money is?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth..._United_States



    In addition, wealth is unevenly distributed, with the wealthiest 25% of US households owning 87%[2] of the wealth in the United States, which was $54.2 trillion in 2009.[3][4]
    and if he shines the spotlight on corporate taxes - he would not be lying either

    http://business.time.com/2012/02/06/...ts-fair-share/

    But there is another source of federal revenues that receives less attention: corporate income taxes. According to the Wall Street Journal’s recent study of Congressional Budget Office numbers, corporations are paying an effective rate of 12.1%, the lowest in at least 40 years.
    No lies - simply truth.

    even the very rich admit to it

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...wer-taxes-oth/
    Last edited by haymarket; 06-14-15 at 10:20 AM.
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    Re: Bernie Sanders wants to take back “family values” from the GOP

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes, Bernies policies are destruction.

    The CBS/NYT poll found that:

    – 80% of Republicans believe that money has too much influence in our politics.

    – 54% believed that most of the time candidates directly help those who gave money to them.

    – 81% of Republicans felt that the campaign finance system needed fundamental changes (45%) or a complete rebuild (36%).

    – 64% are pessimistic that changes will be made to reform the campaign finance system.

    – 71% want to limit the amount that individuals can give to campaigns.

    – 73% felt that super PAC spending should be limited by law.

    – 76% thought that superPACs should be required to disclose their donors.

    All of these positions are held by Bernie Sanders, and the opinion of the majority on each question is the exact opposite of the reasoning used by the majority of the Supreme Court in the Citizens United decision.
    Those aren't his policies.

    I was refering to his 12 point plan to move America "forward ".

    And when did the left start caring about money in Politics ?

    Oh thats right, you started caring when the Unions lost their decades old monopoly.

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    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Nope, if Sanders has left you with the impression that the 1% would pay for everything then you have been misled. The middle class always pays for this stuff because that's where the bulk of the money is.

    Democrats always say they are going to sock the rich, and then the middle class finds out they're rich. A person has to be a real dunderhead to fall for that every time.
    And your misrepresenting me. I never said the rich would pay for everything, nor for that matter has Sanders. Of course the middle class pay taxes. That's the American way, no loafers right, personal responsibility and all those other wholesome GOP talking points. Not all talking points are without value though and you should support the idea of people paying for the privilege of being in the benefit of US citizenship and the rights that accompany it. We've been over the fact that Eisenhower (R) held a very very high tax rate on the most privileged top income earners, so certainly they paid more, but even then kept far more than average Americans. Also, that was as America was shooting for the moon, a strong middle class was emerging, and America was cementing herself as the superior power in the world. Having destroyed the manufacturing base in competitive countries due to WW11, industry was booming, and Eisenhower found a shovel ready job in an interstate highway system. You can tax and spend your way into prosperity. But you can't borrow and spend your way there.
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    Re: Bernie Sanders wants to take back “family values” from the GOP

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Those aren't his policies.

    I was refering to his 12 point plan to move America "forward ".

    And when did the left start caring about money in Politics ?

    Oh thats right, you started caring when the Unions lost their decades old monopoly.
    The unions represent "the people" and the people are the government and you should value empowering people, but you don't, you want the top 1% to hold all power! and you probably aren't even a 1%er, lol.

    And to the bolded. Well, of course not, at this point they're his ideals, as they are of a majority, in some instances you may notice, a vast majority, of republicans. But we will have to elect him before they can become his polices, so let's get the word out, mach schnell!!
    Last edited by Montecresto; 06-14-15 at 11:42 AM.
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