Page 12 of 33 FirstFirst ... 2101112131422 ... LastLast
Results 111 to 120 of 329

Thread: Bernie Sanders wants to take back “family values” from the GOP

  1. #111
    Tavern Bartender
    Kinky tres borrachos's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    New England
    Last Seen
    05-02-17 @ 05:59 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    38,185

    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Bernie is not lying, he caucuses with the Democrats, but since he feels the Democrats have lost their way he chooses not to be a registered Democrat.

    Bernie is in this race to force the Democrat presidential contenders to discuss the issues he wants them to talk about. If he was an independant he would not be in the Democratic debates and would not be able to do it.

    He knows damned well he has no chance of winning.
    So he's not a Democrat who is running as a Democrat.

    He's a smart man and has a lot of good ideas. If what people say is true, and his ideas resonate with so many, then he shouldn't run with the party who he opposes. If he's using the party to get his ideas out, then all he is doing is making the power of the Democratic Party even more obvious.
    Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on people. ~W.C. Fields

  2. #112
    Sage
    cpwill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    USofA
    Last Seen
    05-23-17 @ 04:58 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    55,635

    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Clearly the humor of two groups was lost on you. Sorry.

    He votes often with Democrats.
    When does he vote with Republicans, then?

    Not sure what caucus impact he has as they are private meetings.
    Caucusing with Democrats is affiliation and membership in their control of the Senate.

    They could just as easily exclude him and not let him in
    Then they lose a seat. They could just as easily exclude any other Democrat. It would just be stupid.

    What does committee membership counting against Democrats mean?
    It means that for purposes of Senatorial proceedings, he's a Democrat.

    Even his supporters acknowledge that him running as a Democrat is a means to an end.
    Yeah. Winning the Democrat Nomination so that he can be the head of the Democrat Party.
    “In America we have a two-party system,” a Republican congressional staffer told a visiting group of Russian legislators. “There is the stupid party. And there is the evil party. I am proud to be a member of the stupid party. Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called: bipartisanship."

  3. #113
    Sage
    Chomsky's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Location
    Third Coast
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:02 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    15,687

    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    "Socialistic libertarian"? You're kidding, right? Is that like dry water?

    Sanders is revered by The Communist Party USA. Nuff said.
    Not so fast there:

    "Libertarian socialism (sometimes called social anarchism,[1][2] left-libertarianism[3][4] and socialist libertarianism[5]) is a group of political philosophies within the socialist movement that reject the view of socialism as state ownership or command of the means of production[6] within a more general criticism of the state form itself[7][8] as well as of wage labour relationships within the workplace.[9] Instead it emphasizes workers' self management of the workplace[10] and decentralized structures of political government[11] asserting that a society based on freedom and equality can be achieved through abolishing authoritarian institutions that control certain means of production and subordinate the majority to an owning class or political and economic elite.[12] Libertarian socialists generally place their hopes in decentralized means of direct democracy and federal or confederal associations[13] such as libertarian municipalism, citizens' assemblies, trade unions, and workers' councils.[14][15] All of this is generally done within a general call for libertarian[16] and voluntary human relationships[17] through the identification, criticism, and practical dismantling of illegitimate authority in all aspects of human life.[18][19][20][21][22][23][24]"

    Source: Wikipedia - 'Libertarian Socialism'

    As an aside, even though the Wiki 'Libertarian Socialism' article references 'Left Libertarianism' (something with some facets I'm fond of), there are differences - but fundamentally:

    "Left-libertarianism (or left-wing libertarianism) names several related but distinct approaches to political and social theory, which stress both individual freedom and social justice."

    Source: Wikipedia - 'Left-Libertarianism'

    In this country, 'Libertarianism' is most often associated with 'Right Libertarianism', which weighs more heavily on unfettered free-market capitalism and the unequal accumulation of wealth (as one would expect in a country with a heavily corporate & affluent individual influenced political process).

    Both forms of Libertarians are anti-statists, they just differ on how to control capital & production (that's a big-deal.)

    But elementally, individuals & philosophies can't always be defined by neat little pigeon holes (though our politicians and their political parties would like you to believe that, as they try to get us to tear each other apart for their benefit!)
    "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

    The 10 Commandments of Logic - (Courtesy of Abbazorkzog Blog)

  4. #114
    Sage
    VanceMack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:51 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    50,413

    Re: Bernie Sanders wants to take back “family values” from the GOP

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Well that's not the kind of answer I was looking for, but I can see you are Brownback/Walker kind of guy.
    Are you a business owner with employees? (serious question)

  5. #115
    Sage
    Chomsky's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Location
    Third Coast
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:02 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    15,687

    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The scenario I see playing out is this:

    Bernie gets a substantial turn out in the primaries but still falls a bit short of Hilary who gets the party nomination.

    Bernie then assumes that he can do on a national level what he did in Vermont based on his surprising appeal in the primaries. Sanders decides to run as an Independent in the general election just as he does in Vermont, effectively Ross Perot-ing Hilary's presidential bid.
    That is possible, also similar to what Ralph Nader did to Al Gore in 2000.

    But I don't really see it - I think Sen. Sanders would see the losing result of a fractured party, and would fall inline with the Dems.

    Somehow I don't see him as a VP running-mate, either. (I think she'll pick an "attack-dog" "hatchet man")
    "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

    The 10 Commandments of Logic - (Courtesy of Abbazorkzog Blog)

  6. #116
    Sage
    Chomsky's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Location
    Third Coast
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:02 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    15,687

    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Beg to differ all you want, but he knows something you apparently haven't thought about. After running in the primaries and losing as a Democrat, he wouldn't be registered in enough, if any at all, states to win the generall election as an independent. Ross Perot ran as an independent from the beginning to the end.
    Very good (and practical) point!

    And because of the above, Ms. Clinton knows he can influence her in the primary, but not pull votes from her in the general - he'll come-along back into the fold very nicely after the primary.

    The big question is: how will he conduct his campaign against her? Will she be painted as a 'good start', that he improves upon? Or as 'what is wrong' with the country.

    I believe he will work in concert with her and build upon her, showing civility as he always does.

    The most interesting unknown from my point-of-view, is how will she treat him?
    "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

    The 10 Commandments of Logic - (Courtesy of Abbazorkzog Blog)

  7. #117
    Sage
    jmotivator's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 01:26 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    15,329

    Re: Bernie Sanders lays out REAL family values platform

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    That is possible, also similar to what Ralph Nader did to Al Gore in 2000.

    But I don't really see it - I think Sen. Sanders would see the losing result of a fractured party, and would fall inline with the Dems.

    Somehow I don't see him as a VP running-mate, either. (I think she'll pick an "attack-dog" "hatchet man")
    Maybe, but he is currently an Independent because he did this to Democrats before.
    Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he stops voting for the Free Fish party.

  8. #118
    Sage
    Chomsky's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Location
    Third Coast
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:02 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    15,687

    Re: Bernie Sanders wants to take back “family values” from the GOP

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    How " 12 point plan to move America forward " is actually a 12 point plan to destroy whats left of our economy.

    Tax Increases, " stimulus to increase aggregate demand " and cost increases on Corporations.

    It would be a disaster and not just for us
    A disaster in your opinion & from your point of view.

    But, some others of us see three-decades of (supposed) 'trickle-down economics', and are still waiting to see the results we've been promised!
    "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

    The 10 Commandments of Logic - (Courtesy of Abbazorkzog Blog)

  9. #119
    Sage
    VanceMack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:51 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    50,413

    Re: Bernie Sanders wants to take back “family values” from the GOP

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    A disaster in your opinion & from your point of view.

    But, some others of us see three-decades of (supposed) 'trickle-down economics', and are still waiting to see the results we've been promised!
    Do YOU have a business with employees?

  10. #120
    Sage
    Chomsky's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Location
    Third Coast
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:02 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    15,687

    Re: Bernie Sanders wants to take back “family values” from the GOP

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Do YOU have a business with employees?
    Is there a point you'd like to make, without excessive drama?
    "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

    The 10 Commandments of Logic - (Courtesy of Abbazorkzog Blog)

Page 12 of 33 FirstFirst ... 2101112131422 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •