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    Re: Rand Paul: ‘White kids don’t get the same justice’

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Ironic since both Pauls wants to legalize racial and other types of discrimination by businesses.
    The two are not inconsistent.
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    Re: Rand Paul: ‘White kids don’t get the same justice’

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Race for one, the myth of white privilege for another. As the OP demonstrated.
    Well when you have something specific you want to discuss, let me know. "Race" is like saying "stuff".

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    Re: Rand Paul: ‘White kids don’t get the same justice’

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    I think the Garden Gnomes extincted them in the revolution.

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    Re: Rand Paul: ‘White kids don’t get the same justice’

    It's pretty much right wing dogma to pretend that racial inequality doesn't really exist or is the fault of minorities. Rand Paul must have given up his presidential aspirations.
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    Re: Rand Paul: ‘White kids don’t get the same justice’

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Point taken - that is the title of the Washington Times article. I'll accept that I may be a bit harsh on the OP poster in this regard. I'm not adverse to having a knee jerk reaction every once in a while.
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    Re: Rand Paul: ‘White kids don’t get the same justice’

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I've never gotten any privilege in my life. Everything was work, everything was struggle. I'm a white Christian male. Tell me how privileged I am due to the color of my skin.
    I think you're misunderstanding what the term means. Essentially it only refers to the fact that white males don't suffer from any externally imposed barriers. People of other races/religions/females do. In my part of the world, in my lifetime, that privilege was state sanctioned and state enforced. Mountains of evidence indicate the barriers are still real and still very significant, many of them a function of the centuries of state sanctioned privilege, explicit and implicit.

    It's also undoubtedly true that the most significant privilege is being born into wealth or privilege, and it so happens that in part because of centuries of explicit and implicit state sanctioned white male privilege that almost all people born into wealth and privilege are still white and so have large advantages over other whites, and other races.

    I could keep going, cite all the studies, the hiring studies, attitudes of jurors, arrest rates, search rates, etc. but they all point in the same direction - white privilege is real. And it does NOT mean that being born white is the ticket to success. That requires hard work for everyone but the trust fund babies. What it does mean is success is somewhat/slightly/hugely (depending on the region/profession, etc) more difficult for non-whites and women. That is, there is a real advantage to being white, especially a white Christian male.
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    Re: Rand Paul: ‘White kids don’t get the same justice’

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    I've never gotten any privilege in my life. Everything was work, everything was struggle. I'm a white Christian male. Tell me how privileged I am due to the color of my skin.




    "...2. I can avoid spending time with people whom I was trained to mistrust and who have learned to mistrust my kind or me.

    3. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.

    4. I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.

    7. When I am told about our national heritage or about "civilization," I am shown that people of my color made it what it is.

    13. Whether I use checks, credit cards or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.

    14. I can arrange to protect my children most of the time from people who might not like them.

    15. I do not have to educate my children to be aware of systemic racism for their own daily physical protection.

    16. I can be pretty sure that my children's teachers and employers will tolerate them if they fit school and workplace norms; my chief worries about them do not concern others' attitudes toward their race.
    ...
    18. I can swear, or dress in second hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty or the illiteracy of my race.
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    20. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.

    21. I am never asked to speak for all the people of my racial group.

    22. I can remain oblivious of the language and customs of persons of color who constitute the world's majority without feeling in my culture any penalty for such oblivion.

    23. I can criticize our government and talk about how much I fear its policies and behavior without being seen as a cultural outsider.

    24. I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk to the "person in charge", I will be facing a person of my race.

    25. If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven't been singled out because of my race.
    ..
    28. I can be pretty sure that an argument with a colleague of another race is more likely to jeopardize her/his chances for advancement than to jeopardize mine.

    29. I can be pretty sure that if I argue for the promotion of a person of another race, or a program centering on race, this is not likely to cost me heavily within my present setting, even if my colleagues disagree with me.

    30. If I declare there is a racial issue at hand, or there isn't a racial issue at hand, my race will lend me more credibility for either position than a person of color will have.
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    32. My culture gives me little fear about ignoring the perspectives and powers of people of other races.
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    Re: Rand Paul: ‘White kids don’t get the same justice’

    35. I can take a job with an affirmative action employer without having my co-workers on the job suspect that I got it because of my race.

    36. If my day, week or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether it had racial overtones.

    37. I can be pretty sure of finding people who would be willing to talk with me and advise me about my next steps, professionally.

    38. I can think over many options, social, political, imaginative or professional, without asking whether a person of my race would be accepted or allowed to do what I want to do.

    39. I can be late to a meeting without having the lateness reflect on my race.

    40. I can choose public accommodation without fearing that people of my race cannot get in or will be mistreated in the places I have chosen.

    41. I can be sure that if I need legal or medical help, my race will not work against me.

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    43. If I have low credibility as a leader I can be sure that my race is not the problem.
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    46. I can chose blemish cover or bandages in "flesh" color and have them more or less match my skin.

    48. I have no difficulty finding neighborhoods where people approve of our household.
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    50. I will feel welcomed and "normal" in the usual walks of public life, institutional and social."

    White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack by Peggy McIntosh
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    Re: Rand Paul: ‘White kids don’t get the same justice’

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    The two are not inconsistent.
    In libertarian fantasies only. In real life, business discrimination can have as much or more impact as governmental discrimination.

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    Re: Rand Paul: ‘White kids don’t get the same justice’

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    In libertarian fantasies only. In real life, business discrimination can have as much or more impact as governmental discrimination.
    I don't doubt it. But people have recourse with respect to business discrimination. They can vote with their dollars. You really can't do that with the government.
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