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    Re: GOP leaders confirm Friday trade vote

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Will Congress be able to amend whatever Obama negotiates?
    No. It will either be an up-or-down vote. If the deal is rejected, it's possible the parties might try to make adjustments, depending on how badly they want the deal or how large the gaps are between the arguments made in Congress and the interests of the other parties.

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    Re: GOP leaders confirm Friday trade vote

    Paul Ryan was someone who I had enormous respect for. Unfortunately I read today that he's said that we can read the bill after it's passed. Sound familiar? When did he turn into Nancy Pilosi?

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    Re: GOP leaders confirm Friday trade vote

    For those looking for the fast-track trade legislation:

    The current version: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-1...4hr1314eas.pdf

    The bill status: Bill Summary & Status - 114th Congress (2015 - 2016) - H.R.1314 - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

    The rule (H.Res. 305) that will guide the debate: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-1...4hres305rh.pdf

    Contrary to misleading statements on some radio shows, the fast-track legislation is not "secret." It is available and one can read it in the first link.

    What is not yet available is the TPP text. That's not because of some nefarious desire to hide things, but because there is no agreement right now. Once there is agreement, that text should be made available and, almost certainly will be published in the lead-up to the Congressional debate on that agreement. There remains some possibility that agreement won't be reached.

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    Re: GOP leaders confirm Friday trade vote

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    No. It will either be an up-or-down vote. If the deal is rejected, it's possible the parties might try to make adjustments, depending on how badly they want the deal or how large the gaps are between the arguments made in Congress and the interests of the other parties.
    Wouldn't you agree that the up-or-down vote is a mere formality, since TPP is a "conservative" issue as cpwill has pointed out.

    TPP has already cleared it's greatest hurdle, the filibuster in the Senate--the next vote will require only 51 votes.

    If the GOP were President, the so-called "Freedom Caucus", led by Rep. Jim Jordan from Ohio with 50-70 members depending on the issue,
    would already be on board and this vote tomorrow would be a formality .
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    Re: GOP leaders confirm Friday trade vote

    Do you believe there should be this vote before an agreement is reached.
    I found it interesting that Eric Cantor has entered this fray on behalf of his Wall Street Bank employer.

    Eric Cantor: Democrats in 'civil war' - Adam B. Lerner - POLITICO

    Btw, I put up a thread several months ago endorsing a DEM 'civil' war--it didn't seem to hurt the GOPs in 2010 and 2014 .

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    For those looking for the fast-track trade legislation:

    The current version: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-1...4hr1314eas.pdf

    The bill status: Bill Summary & Status - 114th Congress (2015 - 2016) - H.R.1314 - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

    The rule (H.Res. 305) that will guide the debate: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-1...4hres305rh.pdf

    Contrary to misleading statements on some radio shows, the fast-track legislation is not "secret." It is available and one can read it in the first link.

    What is not yet available is the TPP text. That's not because of some nefarious desire to hide things, but because there is no agreement right now. Once there is agreement, that text should be made available and, almost certainly will be published in the lead-up to the Congressional debate on that agreement. There remains some possibility that agreement won't be reached.
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    Re: GOP leaders confirm Friday trade vote

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Wouldn't you agree that the up-or-down vote is a mere formality, since TPP is a "conservative" issue as cpwill has pointed out.

    TPP has already cleared it's greatest hurdle, the filibuster in the Senate--the next vote will require only 51 votes.

    If the GOP were President, the so-called "Freedom Caucus", led by Rep. Jim Jordan from Ohio with 50-70 members depending on the issue,
    would already be on board and this vote tomorrow would be a formality .
    Based on the composition of the Congress, odds certainly favor its passage.

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    Re: GOP leaders confirm Friday trade vote

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Do you believe there should be this vote before an agreement is reached.
    I found it interesting that Eric Cantor has entered this fray on behalf of his Wall Street Bank employer.

    Eric Cantor: Democrats in 'civil war' - Adam B. Lerner - POLITICO

    Btw, I put up a thread several months ago endorsing a DEM 'civil' war--it didn't seem to hurt the GOPs in 2010 and 2014 .
    Fast track authority has typically been in place during major trade negotiations. At the same time, an alternative path would have entailed debate on a rule to govern debate on an actual trade agreement once such an agreement has been reached. A closed rule (which precludes amendments) could have been adopted to govern the debate. Such a rule would accomplish what the fast track authority is supposed to achieve. Obviously, the risk involved is that once an agreement is in place and if the Congress doesn't like one or more major provisions, it could choose to adopt a modified closed rule (which would permit some degree of amendments).

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    Re: GOP leaders confirm Friday trade vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Renae View Post
    They do this, and I and my family are done with the GOP, especially establishment types.
    Lulz. One thing I learned after the GOP nominated Romney is that the base will shut up and do as they're told.

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    Re: GOP leaders confirm Friday trade vote

    I like how the pro TPP politicians say that it won't take jobs from the US but right there in the middle of it there is the Trade Adjustment Assistance program to retrain workers who lose their jobs due to the TPP.

    I especially am interested in how they can justify having a corporate tribunal solve all disputes rather than a court that is bound by the constitution. As with all these free trade pacts... sovereignty is what dies first.
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: GOP leaders confirm Friday trade vote

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    So..... Does this mean the Senate should just pass laws, regardless the consequences, and regardless the understanding on them because its the "peoples business"?
    Of course not. You're being silly and taking it a far extreme.
    It's a global Jihad, stupid. Allowing that poison into the country is only going to increase the damage it inflicts on others.
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