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    Re: Obama lawyers asked secret court to ignore public court's decision on spying

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    like i have said in other threads, this administration has been really disappointing when it comes to domestic surveillance, just as previous administrations were. the difference is that this one promised to behave differently.

    my prediction is that no matter who is elected, the patriot act is permanent, and the surveillance will not just continue, but will also expand.
    Exactly, what makes Obama's more egregious is his promises otherwise!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    And they will vote for Hilary and be really pissed when she doesn't do anything about it either.
    I'm glad you said they, because I'll never EVER pull the chain for Hillary. I'd vote for Paul ahead of her.
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    Re: Obama lawyers asked secret court to ignore public court's decision on spying

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    That's why they should vote for Bernie.
    Well, if they are a single issue voter, maybe. I would guess that a lot of anti-NSA voters are not socialists.
    Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he stops voting for the Free Fish party.

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    Re: Obama lawyers asked secret court to ignore public court's decision on spying


    Thanks for submitting that chilling information. Just the sound of "Secret Court" should inspire an outrageous Orwellian image to anyone who has even glanced at our Bill of Rights lately.

    I'd like to see the hoods yanked off every member of the "secret surveillance court " & their "mug shots" & vital statistics highlighted on every Major News outlet in the country.

    With transparency like this, who needs "Big Brother"

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    Re: Obama lawyers asked secret court to ignore public court's decision on spying

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Irrespective of the rationale, a President shouldn't be committing extra-constitutional acts.
    Was that missed in my commentary. I've been pissed off about this since the Church committees disclosures. There's only one way to stop such things, and that's for partisans to hold their own accountable. But that's not ever going to happen, ever. Is it lost on you that the partisan right doesn't let a day, hell, an hour go by but what they're posting another Obama infraction, but will defend a republican to the dying breath. And when Bush was president, the patronizing left picked out every single thing he did for exploitation, but look at the cover they give Obama now! Partisans are the problem, a president will simply do what he's allowed to get away with.
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    Re: Obama lawyers asked secret court to ignore public court's decision on spying

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I'm glad you said they, because I'll never EVER pull the chain for Hillary. I'd vote for Paul ahead of her.
    Paul would be much better than Hillary. If Republicans were smart they would get him nominated and crush the democrats.

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    Re: Obama lawyers asked secret court to ignore public court's decision on spying

    And Sanders is most certainly not a one issue candidate, and he speaks a populist message that resonates with Americans.

    Here’s Sanders, the kind of guy who is never taken seriously in D.C., on this week’s Fox News Sunday making the kind of point about income inequality that really rattles the centrist crowd:
    “What we’re seeing, Chris [Wallace], right now is that for 40 years, the American middle class has been disappearing. Millions of people are working longer hours for lower wages despite a huge increase in technology and productivity. And what we have seen during that period is a massive transfer of trillions of dollars from the middle class to the top one-tenth of 1 percent of America — massive wealth and income inequality, where you have 99 percent of all new income today going to the top 1 percent.”
    Bold claim. As it turns out, it’s also mostly true. Average Americans’ income has stagnated or gone down since the start of the Great Recession in the late 2000s, while virtually all of the recovery has benefited the wealthy.
    Here’s another issue on which Democrats would do well to heed Sanders’ warnings: The Trans-Pacific Partnershp, a free trade deal with Asia that was mostly negotiated in secret and critics accuse of being a laundry list of corporate handouts. The Obama administration has found itself in the strange position of agreeing with Republicans that the deal should be passed – and Obama has gone so far as to accuse the progressive wing of the Democratic Party of being dead wrong on the issue.

    Bernie Sanders Has Been Right On Just About Everything - The Daily Banter

    And find me another senator that's been in Washington for thirty years that's worth less than half a mill. This dude is the real McCoy!
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    Re: Obama lawyers asked secret court to ignore public court's decision on spying

    I remember when we used to laugh at the Soviet Union and the KGB.

    Not so funny these days.

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    Re: Obama lawyers asked secret court to ignore public court's decision on spying

    i agree with the other poster... the mere thought/notion of "secret courts" is ridiculous to me

    and the president will, in public, vow to pass a law to ban this surveillance and then turn around have his administration ask a secret court to continue it...

    then again, at this point, i am so cynical about the spying thing that i never believed they'd stop doing it even after the original ruling

    you think that the nsa and these other organizations, with all the equipment and infrastructure setup to do this, were simply going to unplug everything and delete all the files?

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    Re: Obama lawyers asked secret court to ignore public court's decision on spying

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The reason why we have presidents committing these extra-constitutional acts is because brown nosed partisans won't hold their own accountable.

    WASHINGTON, Dec. 15 - Months after the Sept. 11 attacks, President Bush secretly authorized the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on Americans and others inside the United States to search for evidence of terrorist activity without the court-approved warrants ordinarily required for domestic spying, according to government officials.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/16/po...urts.html?_r=0
    this is a red herring argument.

    it has nothing to do with the topic. the fact is that Obama is now attempting to ignore an US appeals court decision that says it is illegal to do that.
    by doing this he should be held in contempt of court.

    any other argument about bush is simply a red herring argument and not worth commenting on.

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