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    Re: Saudi Arabia 'could go nuclear' unless Iran talks lead to 'watertight' agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I'll be arguing that it's not reasonable to expect that they'd allow inspections of their military infrastructure either. That's just not going to happen, anywhere. Such would completely compromise a countries national security, and you know this!
    Iran compromised its right to secrecy with its past deceit and lies about its nuclear programs.

    Iran has no one to blame but itself when a P5+1 nation such as France demands total transparency and intrusive inspections.


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    Re: Saudi Arabia 'could go nuclear' unless Iran talks lead to 'watertight' agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    My main issue is the double standard already exists in similar context.

    Because the US supports Israel, we turn our heads to their clear ambitions and the fact that they never signed the agreement (and probable existing stockpile of arms of this class, the US either gave them or helped them with in some other way.) Because we trade with India, we turn our heads to the fact that they actually have nukes and also never signed the agreement. Also and led by the US, India has international agreements to import both domestic energy use and military grade use uranium fuel all under "international safeguards" all with the stipulation that India *does not* have to abandon its nuclear weapons program. It is a subset of the "Additional Protocol" policy.

    Besides, the NPT itself at this stage by default requires only that internationally traded nuclear material and technology is safeguarded and subject to "international inspection." If the other provisions of the NPT were used there would be far less existing nuclear stockpiles. India specifically agreed to the inspection, but intelligently declined to disarm and join the NPT as a "non-weapon" state using the argument of the have and have not clubs.

    Just because Saudi Arabia *did* sign the agreement does not mean we will all of a sudden then be hypocrites, my point is we past that status a long way back. Depending upon who we are talking about here sanctions comes down to foreign policy intentions of key players, not NPT intentions. Which is why Iran having nukes presents a problem, but if Saudi Arabia ever obtained them you could bet the US not only helped them but designed similar policy to allow it to happen despite NPT intentions. At the end of the day odds are Saudi Arabia would simply switch from a "non-weapon" state to "recognized nuclear weapon state" with US help.

    Making the NPT a generally useless agreement, subject to political intentions from the key players at the UN. Ending the debate on the UN as a useless organization.
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    Re: Saudi Arabia 'could go nuclear' unless Iran talks lead to 'watertight' agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Iran compromised its right to secrecy with its past deceit and lies about its nuclear programs.

    Iran has no one to blame but itself when a P5+1 nation such as France demands total transparency and intrusive inspections.
    Right, I've understood your position on Iran for some time now.
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    Re: Saudi Arabia 'could go nuclear' unless Iran talks lead to 'watertight' agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Iran compromised its right to secrecy with its past deceit and lies about its nuclear programs.

    Iran has no one to blame but itself when a P5+1 nation such as France demands total transparency and intrusive inspections.


    Well if it isn't their lies and deceit. There is that issue of just ignoring sanctions and letting their own actions show their defiance. Of course our alleged importance to the NPT isn't really alleged. Being one of the Premiere Countries on the Planet and having our own interests to secure.

    When we shake.....the rest of the planet rattles and rolls. As evidenced, with time and BO.





    Iran to take legal action if U.S. stops new Mahan Air planes: ISNA.....


    Iran will take legal action if Washington tries to stop newly acquired Iranian passenger planes flying international routes, the head of the country's aviation authority said on Tuesday.

    Iran's Mahan Air, blacklisted by Washington, bought eight second-hand Airbus A340s and one Airbus A321 in May in defiance of U.S. sanctions. Iran's semi-official Fars news agency reported last week that the planes would be used on international routes.

    The U.S. Treasury has imposed sanctions on two firms based in Iraq and the United Arab Emirates on suspicion of helping the purchase.....snip~

    Iran to take legal action if U.S. stops new Mahan Air planes: ISNA

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    Re: Saudi Arabia 'could go nuclear' unless Iran talks lead to 'watertight' agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    The Iranians would tell the Saudis to go to hell, and in reality that's what they're telling US and we dont piss them off near as much as the KSA does.

    Obama needs to be strong, he should just dictate to them the terms and invade if they don't comply.

    Tell them our position is a command not a request
    If Iran's response is "go to hell" regardless then why does it matter who's doing the nogotiating? If the Sauds take personal responsibility then at least they can take lead on the deal if one does get approved. Instead they're backseat drivers as we put affairs in order in their own backyard. They should STFU.

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    Re: Saudi Arabia 'could go nuclear' unless Iran talks lead to 'watertight' agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    If Iran's response is "go to hell" regardless then why does it matter who's doing the nogotiating? If the Sauds take personal responsibility then at least they can take lead on the deal if one does get approved. Instead they're backseat drivers as we put affairs in order in their own backyard. They should STFU.
    Not so much as backseat drivers, when telling the Israelis they will assist in any endeavor in preventing Iran from getting their Nuke. Moreover BO peep must be worried about that. Since he sent over Brennan of the CIA last week for a lil chat with Pardo. Plus BO is sending General Dempsey to go and have some talks with the Israelis Top Military Brass this week.

    The pressure is building on BO.....knowing a bunch of the Sunni Leaders refused to show up for his summit at Camp David. The Saud King who told Kerry he would be there, but then declined the invitation. Helped with the perception the Saud wanted to send.

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    Re: Saudi Arabia 'could go nuclear' unless Iran talks lead to 'watertight' agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin Simplexity. The Egyptians say they will have the same deal as Iran too. If BO and his Team are thinking that they can make it difficult for the Saud and Others to get materials they need. Then they need to start listening to some Judas Priest. Especially the song. Got Another Thing Coming.



    We can’t sit back and be nowhere as Iran is allowed to retain much of its capability and amass its research,” one of the Arab leaders preparing to meet Mr. Obama said on Monday, declining to be named until he made his case directly to the president. Prince Turki bin Faisal, the 70-year-old former Saudi intelligence chief, has been touring the world with the same message.

    Still, the Saudis have given the subject of nuclear armament more than passing thought. In the 1980s they bought a type of Chinese missile, called a DF-3, that could be used effectively only to deliver a nuclear weapon because the missiles were too large and inaccurate for any other purpose. American officials, led by Robert M. Gates, then the director of the C.I.A., protested. There is no evidence the Saudis ever obtained warheads to fit atop the missiles.

    Prince Turki argued that the United States was making a “pivot to Iran” that was ill advised, and that the United States failed to learn from North Korea’s violations of its nuclear deals. “We were America’s best friend in the Arab world for 50 years,” he said, using the past tense.....snip~

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/14/wo...lity.html?_r=0
    Greetings, MMC.

    I have to agree with Prince Turki, especially his statement about being America's best friend for 50 years. It was Saudi Arabia's deal with us over 50 years ago that enabled our country to have the "petrodollar" as the global reserve currency - ie, other countries had to convert their currencies to our dollar in order to buy oil, which has greatly benefitted us in many ways. It looks like that may be coming to an end, and that should alarm everyone that sees the possible financial downside to our country from this.

    Saudi Arabia has made no bones about their feeling of betrayal by us in catering to the Iran regime, and they will go nuclear in self defense, IMO. The Saudis kept their word with us for over 50 years - will Iran do the same? I personally doubt it, judging from their actions so far, in telling us what they will or will not do! WTH??? We shall see....

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    Re: Saudi Arabia 'could go nuclear' unless Iran talks lead to 'watertight' agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, MMC.
    I have to agree with Prince Turki, especially his statement about being America's best friend for 50 years. It was Saudi Arabia's deal with us over 50 years ago that enabled our country to have the "petrodollar" as the global reserve currency - ie, other countries had to convert their currencies to our dollar in order to buy oil, which has greatly benefitted us in many ways. It looks like that may be coming to an end, and that should alarm everyone that sees the possible financial downside to our country from this.

    Saudi Arabia has made no bones about their feeling of betrayal by us in catering to the Iran regime, and they will go nuclear in self defense, IMO. The Saudis kept their word with us for over 50 years - will Iran do the same? I personally doubt it, judging from their actions so far, in telling us what they will or will not do! WTH??? We shall see....


    The Iranians keep their Word Lady P????? ..... .....

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    Re: Saudi Arabia 'could go nuclear' unless Iran talks lead to 'watertight' agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well if it isn't their lies and deceit. There is that issue of just ignoring sanctions and letting their own actions show their defiance. Of course our alleged importance to the NPT isn't really alleged. Being one of the Premiere Countries on the Planet and having our own interests to secure.

    When we shake.....the rest of the planet rattles and rolls. As evidenced, with time and BO.





    Iran to take legal action if U.S. stops new Mahan Air planes: ISNA.....


    Iran will take legal action if Washington tries to stop newly acquired Iranian passenger planes flying international routes, the head of the country's aviation authority said on Tuesday.

    Iran's Mahan Air, blacklisted by Washington, bought eight second-hand Airbus A340s and one Airbus A321 in May in defiance of U.S. sanctions. Iran's semi-official Fars news agency reported last week that the planes would be used on international routes.

    The U.S. Treasury has imposed sanctions on two firms based in Iraq and the United Arab Emirates on suspicion of helping the purchase.....snip~

    Iran to take legal action if U.S. stops new Mahan Air planes: ISNA
    I guess it's going to take a readjustment in my way of thinking, since I'm just not used to having other countries, especially those that fund terrorism, dictate to us about the way things are going to be done in the future whether we like it or not! :

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    Re: Saudi Arabia 'could go nuclear' unless Iran talks lead to 'watertight' agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I guess it's going to take a readjustment in my way of thinking, since I'm just not used to having other countries, especially those that fund terrorism, dictate to us about the way things are going to be done in the future whether we like it or not! :
    Only until BO is sent to pasture Lady P. Then he can watch all he strived for be taken apart piece by piece.

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