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    Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Kalief Browder, a young man from New York City who had gained national renown in recent years as a symbol of America's broken criminal justice system, took his own life this weekend, according to a report from The New Yorker. He was 22.

    The Death Of Kalief Browder Is An 'American Tragedy Almost Beyond Words'

    They broke his mind keeping him in solitary. He was too young to survive such torture. RIP. They won't hurt you anymore. What can I say...I'm not afraid of ISIS, I'm not afraid of Russia, I'm not afraid of Boko Haram, I'm not afraid of parachute jump. I'm afraid of our American Justice System. There are many people responsible for this young death. Unfortunately, l doubt that any of them will ever pay a price.

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    If it can happen to 1 person, it can happen to a 1,000. Our prisons are becoming places where petty thieves are turned into hardened criminals and innocents are physically and psychologically destroyed. The only ones that have it easy are the ones that have no hope of ever getting out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MathewSmith View Post
    Kalief Browder, a young man from New York City who had gained national renown in recent years as a symbol of America's broken criminal justice system, took his own life this weekend, according to a report from The New Yorker. He was 22.

    The Death Of Kalief Browder Is An 'American Tragedy Almost Beyond Words'

    They broke his mind keeping him in solitary. He was too young to survive such torture. RIP. They won't hurt you anymore. What can I say...I'm not afraid of ISIS, I'm not afraid of Russia, I'm not afraid of Boko Haram, I'm not afraid of parachute jump. I'm afraid of our American Justice System. There are many people responsible for this young death. Unfortunately, l doubt that any of them will ever pay a price.
    It's impossible to know, from the video, what part the young man played in his own troubles in the jail. In each of the first two incidents I saw in the video, he said something to the guard and he also said something to one of the other inmates and then started the incident by punching another of the inmates in the face. Unless we know what he said, we can't know why he was attacked. And in the gang attack, he started the fight so he got what he deserved.

    Secondly, I'd note that in the first incident, with the guards, all the guards who roughed him up were black. In the second incident, the two guards who protected him and got him to safety were white.

    Thirdly, he was out of the jail for 2 and a half years before he killed himself - what happened both to him and for him in those intervening years between jail and death? Anyone know?

    Finally, I'd say this video does nothing to support the "black lives matter" nonsense since I didn't see a single black person in the video who gave a **** about black life they were trying to end.

    This video says more about blacks in America than it does about the American Justice System. Americans should be glad these less than humans are off the streets.
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    Why aren't all of DP's constitutional scholars up in arms over this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Why aren't all of DP's constitutional scholars up in arms over this?
    The thing is that he didn't plead affluenza. He also wasn't evading taxes. Oh, and he wasn't trying deny gays any kind of rights. So you know...
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    Being jailed for years without trial isn't even a new thing . This deplorable act of abuse in power and neglect is an issue that all people of all skin tones must address .Where the right to a speedy trial is being disregarded ,and in this case at the cost of incarcerating an innocent male.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    It's impossible to know, from the video, what part the young man played in his own troubles in the jail. In each of the first two incidents I saw in the video, he said something to the guard and he also said something to one of the other inmates and then started the incident by punching another of the inmates in the face. Unless we know what he said, we can't know why he was attacked. And in the gang attack, he started the fight so he got what he deserved.

    Secondly, I'd note that in the first incident, with the guards, all the guards who roughed him up were black. In the second incident, the two guards who protected him and got him to safety were white.

    Thirdly, he was out of the jail for 2 and a half years before he killed himself - what happened both to him and for him in those intervening years between jail and death? Anyone know?

    Finally, I'd say this video does nothing to support the "black lives matter" nonsense since I didn't see a single black person in the video who gave a **** about black life they were trying to end.

    This video says more about blacks in America than it does about the American Justice System. Americans should be glad these less than humans are off the streets.
    What hideous, horrible wording. I sincerely hope you're not really intending what this sounds like you're saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Un biased View Post
    Being jailed for years without trial isn't even a new thing . This deplorable act of abuse in power and neglect is an issue that all people of all skin tones must address .Where the right to a speedy trial is being disregarded ,and in this case at the cost of incarcerating an innocent male.
    How do you know he was innocent? How much of the delay could be attributed to the defense, I wonder. Even the article has to concede that delay is often the tactic of the defense. Cases don't get stronger with the passage of time. Maybe that's what happened here and the tactic worked and, as a result, a felony case got dismissed. If the courts are bogged down in New York, it's probably because there are too many pansy ass judges unwilling to make the defense go to trial after the 5th or 6th motion to continue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    How do you know he was innocent? How much of the delay could be attributed to the defense, I wonder. Even the article has to concede that delay is often the tactic of the defense. Cases don't get stronger with the passage of time. Maybe that's what happened here and the tactic worked and, as a result, a felony case got dismissed. If the courts are bogged down in New York, it's probably because there are too many pansy ass judges unwilling to make the defense go to trial after the 5th or 6th motion to continue.
    "Pansy ass judges" don't want to be impeached or have their rulings tossed on appeal and the state sued for potentially millions for a wrongful conviction

    You don't know why the case got dismissed. It could easily be for lack of evidence. He wouldn't take a plea deal, they didn't think they could convict, simple. The tragedy is it took so damn long and he suffered greatly in the process. Hell, even a conviction might have gotten a shorter sentence than how long he spent in that hellhole waiting for trial, think of that.

    Public defendants in NYC have on average 1000 clients. That's part and parcel of the broken system. Even a wealthy megapolis like NYC is too cheap to hire more lawyers and judges and build more courtrooms

    Yes, delay tactics by the lawyers may have been part of the reason. I'm doubtful though when they're so overburdened with clients they can't keep track of. Either way, it doesn't matter who is to blame, because the constitution mandates an expedient trial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    "Pansy ass judges" don't want to be impeached or have their rulings tossed on appeal and the state sued for potentially millions for a wrongful conviction

    You don't know why the case got dismissed. It could easily be for lack of evidence. He wouldn't take a plea deal, they didn't think they could convict, simple. The tragedy is it took so damn long and he suffered greatly in the process. Hell, even a conviction might have gotten a shorter sentence than how long he spent in that hellhole waiting for trial, think of that.

    Public defendants in NYC have on average 1000 clients. That's part and parcel of the broken system. Even a wealthy megapolis like NYC is too cheap to hire more lawyers and judges and build more courtrooms

    Yes, delay tactics by the lawyers may have been part of the reason. I'm doubtful though when they're so overburdened with clients they can't keep track of. Either way, it doesn't matter who is to blame, because the constitution mandates an expedient trial.
    Innocent until proven guilty not guilty until proven innocent. Your logic is that of the 16th century where even our founding fathers men of 17th wrote against . You implies that somebody at the time who was a teenager who spent two cumulatively yearsout of 3 in solitary confinement which is a method of torture used to get information from suspected terrorist delayed his trial and endured beatings is not only inane but undermines this issue as it is not the first time this has happened.Cancer victim kept in solitary confinement for 2 years without trial wins millions ? RT USA
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