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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    CanadaJohn is desperately backpedaling on that disgusting comment.
    Speak for yourself - I'm not backpedaling from any comment I've made in this thread.
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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    AND there was the initial component...he was already on parole (for something that he ALSO said he didnt do...might be a bit of a pattern there). That meant that unlike his friend, he couldnt be released without bail.

    We can acknowledge it was a tragic situation. Obviously something should be done about the caseload. I'm not sure how they do that without simply offering more plea bargains. Quadruple the available justices, prosecutors, and legal defense teams? But the facts as presented in 3 different articles were that he was picked out by a witness who was willing to swear out a complaint, he did face a grand jury, and the grand jury did find sufficient cause to proceed with charges.
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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Then it's a good idea that you stay well away from America. I know we won't miss you one bit.

    The video is absurd. He was out for almost three years before he killed himself.
    Just curious, there are perhaps 10s of thousands of vets suffering PTSD and other mental illnesses long (years!!) after they were in Iraq/Afghanistan. Suicide among returning vets, along with substance abuse, depression, etc. is a serious problem. I guess you'll blame the combat veterans, too, when they kill themselves, tell the family it was their fault for not taking better care of their veteran spouse, or their husband/wife was just a weak loser? Yeah, right...

    It's always shocking how misinformed the American public is about mental health issues.

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'm guessing, a city the size of New York has an abundance of bail bondsmen. If, as noted by Chase, the bail was $3500, that takes a personal note of about $350 plus fees to get the bail posted. Don't try to tell me that a family that cares about a "son" can't come up with $350 in the course of 3 years. I'm not buying it. And if a couple who apparently have fostered 25 children over the years can't come up with $350, they shouldn't be fostering children. It makes no sense on its face.
    What makes no sense? He didn't post bond, spent three years in jail, never tried or convicted, spent 2 years in solitary of those 3. It doesn't have to "make sense," it's fact, what happened.

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Tell us why. Do you know, or are you just assuming the worst?

    Why no bail? First time offense? Stealing a backpack and staying locked up for 3 years isn't normal, so what's the reason?

    Is the justice system responsible for the seeming lack of care his family got him for the 2 and a half years he was out of jail after the charges were dropped? Does every juvenile who gets in trouble commit suicide when they get out?
    Does every veteran of Iraq or Afghanistan commit suicide? No. So f'em all if they can't handle civilian life after combat. Right? It's either the soldiers' fault or their families, so there's no issue for anyone else to worry about.....

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Im guessing you might have been missing his point, which was essentially agreeing with you by being sarcastic. Ironically...CanadaJohn then agreed with YOU which makes this whole thing kind of a funny/tragic three ring circus.
    Some people have nothing to say but say it anyway. I think that was the case.
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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    It's impossible to know, from the video, what part the young man played in his own troubles in the jail. In each of the first two incidents I saw in the video, he said something to the guard and he also said something to one of the other inmates and then started the incident by punching another of the inmates in the face. Unless we know what he said, we can't know why he was attacked. And in the gang attack, he started the fight so he got what he deserved.

    Secondly, I'd note that in the first incident, with the guards, all the guards who roughed him up were black. In the second incident, the two guards who protected him and got him to safety were white.

    Thirdly, he was out of the jail for 2 and a half years before he killed himself - what happened both to him and for him in those intervening years between jail and death? Anyone know?

    Finally, I'd say this video does nothing to support the "black lives matter" nonsense since I didn't see a single black person in the video who gave a **** about black life they were trying to end.

    This video says more about blacks in America than it does about the American Justice System. Americans should be glad these less than humans are off the streets.
    Just curious, if the video had a bunch of skinheads, it would say more about whites in America than the justice system?

    And who are the "less than humans?" "Blacks in America" or violent individuals locked up. It's not clear from your statement which group we should be happy are locked up. I'm not sure of any "American" who is sad violent criminals are behind bars, but I don't actually care what color they are.

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    What makes no sense? He didn't post bond, spent three years in jail, never tried or convicted, spent 2 years in solitary of those 3. It doesn't have to "make sense," it's fact, what happened.
    Clearly, you're correct. It's the inferences that are the problem, as initially provided in post 1 of this thread. We don't know the answers to the why for any of those facts you state. My comment "it makes no sense on its face" is in reference to the inferences, not the facts as presented.

    As an example, it's assumed in the OP and by others that his spending 2 years in solitary confinement was a form of unwarranted punishment. Do we know that to be true? Could it be he was in solitary because of his own behaviour? Could it be he was in solitary for his own safety? We don't have the answers, at least not in this thread, yet it's assumed that the justice department was unfairly punishing him. That may be true, but it's not been proven.
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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'm guessing, a city the size of New York has an abundance of bail bondsmen. If, as noted by Chase, the bail was $3500, that takes a personal note of about $350 plus fees to get the bail posted. Don't try to tell me that a family that cares about a "son" can't come up with $350 in the course of 3 years. I'm not buying it. And if a couple who apparently have fostered 25 children over the years can't come up with $350, they shouldn't be fostering children. It makes no sense on its face.
    This is a constitutional issue here...3 years in jail without being tried for something isn't a "speedy trial" and the fact a bond was offered doesn't mean someone no longer has a right to a speedy trial.
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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Does every veteran of Iraq or Afghanistan commit suicide? No. So f'em all if they can't handle civilian life after combat. Right? It's either the soldiers' fault or their families, so there's no issue for anyone else to worry about.....
    As more than half of the suicides in the Army today involve individuals that have NEVER deployed, you may be barking...but not up the right tree.

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