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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Being locked up for 3 years without trial, regardless of reason, isn't just abnormal, it's a violation of basic civil rights. Bail is irrelevant. That length of time fits no conceivable definition of a "speedy" trial.
    But that doesnt answer the question. Do you know why he was jailed without trial and why it took so long?

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Don't I get what? WTF are you talking about, or are you just talking to hear yourself?
    Im guessing you might have been missing his point, which was essentially agreeing with you by being sarcastic. Ironically...CanadaJohn then agreed with YOU which makes this whole thing kind of a funny/tragic three ring circus.

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by Chase View Post
    And that statement coming from the same guy the made this statement......"This video says more about blacks in America than it does about the American Justice System. Americans should be glad these less than humans are off the streets."

    You lost your credibility with your first post in this thread. Sorry. Anything you have said after that statement is worthless.
    CanadaJohn is desperately backpedaling on that disgusting comment.

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    But that doesnt answer the question. Do you know why he was jailed without trial and why it took so long?
    It took so long because 1.His family didn't have the money to post bail for him. 2. They kept getting continuances for his trial. 3. He refused to enter a plea of guilty for something he didn't do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Why aren't all of DP's constitutional scholars up in arms over this?
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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    1. So he was given bail but failed to post it - not the justice system's fault. You're telling me that no one in his family could post the percentage (10% or whatever it is) to a bail bondsman on his behalf to get him out over 3 year's time. I call bull**** on that one.

    2. Perhaps because he was a foster child the "family" wasn't interested in helping him. I wonder if the "family" was still collecting child support payments for this young man while he was in jail. A "family" that was giving a home to 25 foster children over the years is either one that has the financial resources to pay the $3,500 bail or they're a "family" that was solely milking the system for their own financial benefit.

    3. The guard threw him to the ground - I didn't see any beating by the guard. He restrained him on the ground until other guards came to cuff him. What beating by guards are you talking about?

    4. As for throwing the first punch - that could be aggravated assault, but it's assault nonetheless. Pretty stupid to be in a room with dozens of other inmates and throwing the punch that starts a melee. Maybe he should have watched To Kill a Mockingbird to see what a real man does when spat on.

    5. My less than humans comment was related to the gang members kicking, stomping on, and beating this guy after he threw the first punch. You, and others, can imply or flat out call me a racist for stating it - I'm fine with that. I know who I am and I'm not afraid to speak the truth simply because some people on the internet want to try to shut me down by ignorantly calling me vile names.
    FYI on your #1 some states, like Nebraska, don't have bail bondsmen and you have to post a percentage of the bail yourself, which is then returned if you are convicted or found not guilty. For some it's just not that easy to come up with the money and if you don't have anyone to borrow it from your screwed. I don't know about how NY works though.
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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    FYI on your #1 some states, like Nebraska, don't have bail bondsmen and you have to post a percentage of the bail yourself, which is then returned if you are convicted or found not guilty. For some it's just not that easy to come up with the money and if you don't have anyone to borrow it from your screwed. I don't know about how NY works though.
    Umm, that's what you do with a bail bondsman, you post a percentage of the bail yourself. Not everyone has even the tenth of the bail typically asked for. Those folks stay in jail. That's how bail works.

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Umm, that's what you do with a bail bondsman, you post a percentage of the bail yourself. Not everyone has even the tenth of the bail typically asked for. Those folks stay in jail. That's how bail works.
    Yes but bondsmen typically don't return the money to you so that's taken as a total loss while posting bail yourself is just a temporary loss of money. So in a state where bondsmen are not legal it's easier to get help to make bail because the person knows (hopes) they are more likely to get the money back and may be easier to get a loan.
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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by Chase View Post
    It took so long because 1.His family didn't have the money to post bail for him. 2. They kept getting continuances for his trial. 3. He refused to enter a plea of guilty for something he didn't do.
    AND there was the initial component...he was already on parole (for something that he ALSO said he didnt do...might be a bit of a pattern there). That meant that unlike his friend, he couldnt be released without bail.

    We can acknowledge it was a tragic situation. Obviously something should be done about the caseload. I'm not sure how they do that without simply offering more plea bargains. Quadruple the available justices, prosecutors, and legal defense teams? But the facts as presented in 3 different articles were that he was picked out by a witness who was willing to swear out a complaint, he did face a grand jury, and the grand jury did find sufficient cause to proceed with charges.

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    FYI on your #1 some states, like Nebraska, don't have bail bondsmen and you have to post a percentage of the bail yourself, which is then returned if you are convicted or found not guilty. For some it's just not that easy to come up with the money and if you don't have anyone to borrow it from your screwed. I don't know about how NY works though.
    I'm guessing, a city the size of New York has an abundance of bail bondsmen. If, as noted by Chase, the bail was $3500, that takes a personal note of about $350 plus fees to get the bail posted. Don't try to tell me that a family that cares about a "son" can't come up with $350 in the course of 3 years. I'm not buying it. And if a couple who apparently have fostered 25 children over the years can't come up with $350, they shouldn't be fostering children. It makes no sense on its face.
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