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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    i have no idea who you're talking to here

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    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    On further reflection, i suppose another factor may have been the length of time he spent in solitary. It sounds like he was abused in prison though, which is even more abhorrent for someone who hasn't even had trial.

    A speedy trial would only have benefited this kid or anyone in similar position. He might even not be dead now

    See the whole idea of 'innocent until proven guilty' and frankly any justice system worthy of the name is you're aren't locked away like a caged animal and abused before even facing a trial. The whole bail system is ****ed. You can practically buy your way out of anything - a soccer player here punched a ref, who fell and hit his head and eventually died, and the player even fled immediately, yet was released on bail after killing someone - but if a poor 16 year old accused of petty theft (a backpack, seriously?), you may as well be guilty until proven innocent. This is why tons of innocent people take plea deals. This kid clung to his innocence, and for that he paid dearly.

    That sounds more like something out of "red corner"
    Robbery is more than petty theft and I think minimizing or mischaracterizing it is dishonest - not saying that about you at all, but rather that's what presented as the gospel truth, when it's not really the full story and just intended to further inflame. Robbery typically involves a threat of bodily harm or an actual assault committed in the course of committing theft. In the case of the stolen backpack, either D was accused of threatening someone to get it or of actually taking it off someone's body and causing injury doing so (as I say, those would have to be the nature of the allegation - not saying, at all, whether it's true or not).

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    This video says more about blacks in America than it does about the American Justice System. Americans should be glad these less than humans are off the streets.
    Cover blown.

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    ....Is the justice system responsible for the seeming lack of care his family got him for the 2 and a half years he was out of jail after the charges were dropped?...
    He should have been compensated for the years of his life that he lost and offered counseling.

    Not the justice system, but society has a responsibility to help mentally ill people who can not afford care. Mental health care is extremely difficult to access in the USA if you can't afford to pay for it. Even people who attempt suicide are routinely sent home from the hospital just a few days after being hospitalized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Robbery is more than petty theft and I think minimizing or mischaracterizing it is dishonest - not saying that about you at all, but rather that's what presented as the gospel truth, when it's not really the full story and just intended to further inflame. Robbery typically involves a threat of bodily harm or an actual assault committed in the course of committing theft. In the case of the stolen backpack, either D was accused of threatening someone to get it or of actually taking it off someone's body and causing injury doing so (as I say, those would have to be the nature of the allegation - not saying, at all, whether it's true or not).
    I see, so that justifies his fate. If there was injury he might've been charged with assault as well.

    Sounds like run of the mill bullying, which you know i can't stand, but i find physical separation from their victims or expulsion to be more of a proper fix, not being tortured in freaking riker's island for 3 years.

    Justice and rehabilitation are kind of central tenets when we're talking about overhauling the justice system. At least we can agree there's not much chance he'll be rehabilitated when he's dead

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    I see, so that justifies his fate. If there was injury he might've been charged with assault as well.

    Sounds like run of the mill bullying, which you know i can't stand, but i find physical separation from their victims or expulsion to be more of a proper fix, not being tortured in freaking riker's island for 3 years.

    Justice and rehabilitation are kind of central tenets when we're talking about overhauling the justice system. At least we can agree there's not much chance he'll be rehabilitated when he's dead
    Actually recidivism rates among the dead are extremely low, so death could be argued to be the ultimate rehabilitator.

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Actually recidivism rates among the dead are extremely low, so death could be argued to be the ultimate rehabilitator.
    Why wait then? Let's not bother with trials and just execute anyone accused of the slightest offense. Stalin only got it half right!

    But seriously, that made me laugh because in a very macabre kind of way, what you're saying is true. No more (alleged) backpack theft for this punk

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    This video says more about blacks in America than it does about the American Justice System. Americans should be glad these less than humans are off the streets.
    I didn't know you were a racist. Good to know.

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    If you want to support and excuse the young black men portrayed in this video, go right ahead. I called it as I saw it. Sometimes the truth is brutal but that doesn't mean it should be suppressed.
    You called human beings "less than human." That's actually the exact opposite of the truth.

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by Un biased View Post
    Being jailed for years without trial isn't even a new thing . This deplorable act of abuse in power and neglect is an issue that all people of all skin tones must address .Where the right to a speedy trial is being disregarded ,and in this case at the cost of incarcerating an innocent male.
    As usual... its all about the money.

    John Oliver: The U.S. Bail System Screws the Poor, Rewards Reality TV

    John Oliver, HBO’s best critic of America’s broken-ass political and economic systems since The Wire, turned his attention this week to one of the brokenest-ass systems of all: the way we handle bail for people accused of crimes.

    Oliver throws up an alarming stat from New Jersey, circa 2013, where nearly 40% of inmates were locked up solely because they were unable to make bail while awaiting trial. If you dig a little deeper into the report he’s citing, you’ll find their average time languishing in lockup is 10 months. And that’s without being found guilty of any crime.

    In fact, many of them just plead guilty (even if they’re not) just so they can get out, rather than waiting in jail for a trial date and staying locked up while they try to fight the case. This, of course, has the downside of making them pay fines (which we’ve established they probably can’t afford), go back to jail, and carry the stigma of being a “convicted criminal” for life.
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