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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Thank God that our illustrious Congress, by way of the NDAA Amendment a few years back, did away with Habeas Corpus.

    This is a fine example of how corrupt the US criminal justice system is.

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Why aren't all of DP's constitutional scholars up in arms over this?
    How quickly do you want people to respond to something posted at 4am Eastern time? Browder was clearly denied a speedy trial and there should be an investigation.

    It should also be noted that as this Reason.com article points out, this is indeed a bigger problem with the New York court system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    "Pansy ass judges" don't want to be impeached or have their rulings tossed on appeal and the state sued for potentially millions for a wrongful conviction

    You don't know why the case got dismissed. It could easily be for lack of evidence. He wouldn't take a plea deal, they didn't think they could convict, simple. The tragedy is it took so damn long and he suffered greatly in the process. Hell, even a conviction might have gotten a shorter sentence than how long he spent in that hellhole waiting for trial, think of that.

    Public defendants in NYC have on average 1000 clients. That's part and parcel of the broken system. Even a wealthy megapolis like NYC is too cheap to hire more lawyers and judges and build more courtrooms

    Yes, delay tactics by the lawyers may have been part of the reason. I'm doubtful though when they're so overburdened with clients they can't keep track of. Either way, it doesn't matter who is to blame, because the constitution mandates an expedient trial.
    You're right, I know nothing of the circumstances surrounding this case. I am aware of people in my city being in jail for a year or a year and a half before trial (not 3) but that's usually people facing either a very serious charge or many charges and prison time is highly likely anyway.

    The speedy trial thing actually has a whole line of case law and it's a very specific analysis as to whether someone was denied one or not and the defenses actions that cause delay do play a part. Right now, only the defendant is the one with a right to a speedy trial (and like every other right, it can be waived). If the concern is people jailed on unadjudicated offenses, would you support giving the state/prosecution the same right to a speedy trial?

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    I found a little bit more information. He suffered from paranoia and depression after being jailed in Rikers for 3 years. The crime was taking a backpack - which he always denied. He finally hung himself. There are several videos of him being beaten by gang bangers and guards in prison. The situation is really tragic.

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    What hideous, horrible wording. I sincerely hope you're not really intending what this sounds like you're saying.
    If you want to support and excuse the young black men portrayed in this video, go right ahead. I called it as I saw it. Sometimes the truth is brutal but that doesn't mean it should be suppressed.
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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    New York needs to repair its system if backlogs of two years is common. I don't know what percent 400 people incarcerated for two years without some sort of disposition of the case is.

    From Buzzfeed:

    Browder’s story prompted a closer look at problems at Rikers; it turned out he was one of many people caught in the backlog of the jail and the state court system.

    “This happens every day, and I feel like it’s got to stop,” he told the Huffington Post in 2013.

    In response to telling his story, he received thousands of letters from people expressing their sympathy and support, Prestia said.

    “He recognized that [support], and he appreciated that,” Prestia said.

    According to a New York Times report earlier this year, 400 people were being held at Rikers for more than two years without a conviction. http://www.buzzfeed.com/claudiakoern...nv#.bhW0YVgmbV

    I don't know that Browder's suicide should be laid at the feet of the justice system, though. He had been free for two years. He clearly did have sympathy and support, and none of us knows the particulars of his mental health or whether he was receiving treatment for depression. This tragic story makes for a great headline, but is it fair?

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Lil' Wayne did a stint at Riker's Island. He spent some time in solitary for having a cell phone. He has said that he will never do a concert in New York. Never.
    You know that he had a good attorney. He pleaded guilty. He said that Riker's Island is a hell hole.

    The writ of Habeas Corpus bleeds in America.
    The guy should have sued. Three years to trial? Two of that combined in solitary, without a conviction. That makes my head spin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    If you want to support and excuse the young black men portrayed in this video, go right ahead. I called it as I saw it. Sometimes the truth is brutal but that doesn't mean it should be suppressed.
    Jailed without trial. JAILED WITHOUT TRIAL.
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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    What's sadder is that apparently he had no one on the outside the least bit worried about him. Where are his parents in this?

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Jailed without trial. JAILED WITHOUT TRIAL.
    Tell us why. Do you know, or are you just assuming the worst?

    Why no bail? First time offense? Stealing a backpack and staying locked up for 3 years isn't normal, so what's the reason?

    Is the justice system responsible for the seeming lack of care his family got him for the 2 and a half years he was out of jail after the charges were dropped? Does every juvenile who gets in trouble commit suicide when they get out?
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