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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    LMAO, oh okay, so the definitions I posted don't work for you. We get it. You're not a fan of polls, data, statistics, or definitions. Anyways, I'll wait for that financial information showing they could have afforded it.
    The dictionary definitions you posted don't apply and you know it. Those words have definitions in law and the law does not include plea bargaining or bail in either. Your trip into semantics still isn't working for you.

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Quote that post and tell me the part you find persuasive. While you're at it, please post a cite supporting the baseless assertions in it. They might be true, but some random anonymous person on DP isn't actually a "source" for anything other than this random person's opinion, backed by nothing.
    Article 30 NY Criminal Procedure Law Timeliness of Prosecutions

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You could at least understand what you're talking about before you make stuff up. His prior juvenile record is not expunged until he successfully completes probation without further charges.
    Do you have a cite that charges later dropped or charges proved unfounded at trial will cause the juvenile record to be a part of his permanent record?

    You've been caught making up stuff repeatedly so sorry if I don't accept your "word" on this....

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    You referred me to post #116. That's the statute you keep repeating, but can't tell me what part is relevant.

    This isn't even fun anymore. You're not even pretending to make an honest case. I've got better things to do than argue with a troll who can't make a case without inventing facts.

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Good grief, thanks for posting the evidence contradicting your claims:

    Three Years on Rikers Without Trial - The New Yorker

    This rule stipulates that all felony cases (except homicides) must be ready for trial within six months of arraignment, or else the charges can be dismissed. In practice, however, this time limit is subject to technicalities. The clock stops for many reasons—for example, when defense attorneys submit motions before trial—so that the amount of time that is officially held to have elapsed can be wildly different from the amount of time that really has. In 2011, seventy-four per cent of felony cases in the Bronx were older than six months.
    and here it is:

    1. Except as otherwise provided in subdivision three, a motion made
    pursuant to paragraph (e) of subdivision one of section 170.30 or
    paragraph (g) of subdivision one of section 210.20 must be granted where
    the people are not ready for trial within:
    (a) six months of the commencement of a criminal action wherein a
    defendant is accused of one or more offenses, at least one of which is a
    felony;
    If the family can't afford $300 they simply aren't living in NY, at least not in a legal home with actual water and electricity. This is not a case of can't afford, but unwilling to afford.
    So you have NOTHING to show that they should have been able to afford it? Good.
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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You referred me to post #116. That's the statute you keep repeating, but can't tell me what part is relevant.

    This isn't even fun anymore. You're not even pretending to make an honest case. I've got better things to do than argue with a troll who can't make a case without inventing facts.
    He simply doesn't know. He just posted the link supporting the claim that the trial should have been ready within 6 months.
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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    OK, the general limit is six months. We all know that. What else you got?

    Random cites to the law isn't an argument. You'll have to make an actual case.

    You claimed it was delayed because of defense filings. You were wrong. Sorry!
    You know, you should actually read the link:

    4. In computing the time within which the people must be ready for
    trial pursuant to subdivisions one and two, the following periods must
    be excluded:
    (a) a reasonable period of delay resulting from other proceedings
    concerning the defendant, including but not limited to: proceedings for
    the determination of competency and the period during which defendant is
    incompetent to stand trial; demand to produce; request for a bill of
    particulars; pre-trial motions; appeals; trial of other charges; and the
    period during which such matters are under consideration by the court
    ;
    or
    (b) the period of delay resulting from a continuance granted by the
    court at the request of, or with the consent of, the defendant or his
    counsel. The court must grant such a continuance only if it is satisfied
    that postponement is in the interest of justice, taking into account the
    public interest in the prompt dispositions of criminal charges
    . A
    defendant without counsel must not be deemed to have consented to a
    continuance unless he has been advised by the court of his rights under
    these rules and the effect of his consent; or

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You know, you should actually read the link:
    So 3 years is a reasonable period. Yes? I just want to know how far you'll go in this absurd argument.
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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Do you have a cite that charges later dropped or charges proved unfounded at trial will cause the juvenile record to be a part of his permanent record?

    You've been caught making up stuff repeatedly so sorry if I don't accept your "word" on this....
    Why is that first an issue for you? It makes no sense. You think he should be given bail AFTER the charges are dropped? You're putting the cart after the horse.

    As to that last, no, I haven't and you have no cause to make the accusation other than to try to repair your own argument.

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You referred me to post #116. That's the statute you keep repeating, but can't tell me what part is relevant.

    This isn't even fun anymore. You're not even pretending to make an honest case. I've got better things to do than argue with a troll who can't make a case without inventing facts.
    I did, and it was there for you to read, but then you couldn't even be bothered to read the title of the statute. You then falsely claimed it wasn't about a speedy trial, but dropped that pretty quickly when I posted the title, didn't you?

    The better things you have to do is to flee your own argument.

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