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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    LOL, that post is unsubstantiated half truths at best. Yes, if the defense files a motion, while the motion is being considered it tolls the clock.

    In this case, the great bulk of the delay is the prosecutor, years after the indictment, repeatedly going to court and claiming he's not ready for trial and asking for a "one week" delay, which because of the backlog in court turns into 6 or 8 weeks, until 10 or 12 "one week" delays turns into years of delays.
    Article 30 NY Criminal Procedure Law Timeliness of Prosecutions

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Once again you seem to not understand the terms of felony probation. In many states, if you are on felony probation you are ineligible for bail on any future felony charges (while on probation). Sheesh, the effort a few are going through to twist and misunderstand in order to carry their arguments is astounding.
    Goodness, you might want to read the story before making assertions. Again, from the New Yorker:

    Browder was charged with grand larceny. He told me that his friends drove the truck and that he had only watched, but he figured that he had no defense, and so he pleaded guilty. The judge gave him probation and youthful offender” status, which insured that he wouldn’t have a criminal record.
    OK, so you've made stuff up about the defense filings and the charges while he was a juvenile. What other facts do you need to make up to defend the indefensible?

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Those are statutes of limitation, unrelated to the speedy trial provisions. Try again.

    If not, quote the part you find relevant. I'm not doing the research for you.

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lmao, what I believe. Alright, let's look at the post, shall we? Seeing as how you don't actually have a rebuttal of your own. On post 116:

    1. It has absolutely nothing to do with your pompous and unsubstantiated claims that his family should have been able to afford it.
    2. The motions filed in his case requested 1 week at most though there were various, even if you were to group them all together, it wouldn't come close to 3 years in prison.
    3. Unless you're stating that the NYer is wrong, and some guy on the internet is right, there is nothing to discuss here.

    Do you have any other non-arguments you'd like to present? Or are you ready to show his family's financial statements so that we can judge your claim that they should have been able to afford it?
    Article 30 NY Criminal Procedure Law Timeliness of Prosecutions

    If the family can't afford $300 they simply aren't living in NY, at least not in a legal home with actual water and electricity. This is not a case of can't afford, but unwilling to afford.

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Those are statutes of limitation, unrelated to the speedy trial provisions. Try again.

    If not, quote the part you find relevant. I'm not doing the research for you.
    You could at least read the title:

    TIMELINESS OF PROSECUTIONS AND SPEEDY TRIAL

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    This wasn't TN. See post number 116.
    Quote that post and tell me the part you find persuasive. While you're at it, please post a cite supporting the baseless assertions in it. They might be true, but some random anonymous person on DP isn't actually a "source" for anything other than this random person's opinion, backed by nothing.

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Just keep repeating the same lies and hope they stick through repetition, it's not working for you. Once again, neither bail nor plea bargains are legally defined as extortion or entrapment. No matter how you word the semantic games, reality thwarts your effort.
    LMAO, oh okay, so the definitions I posted don't work for you. We get it. You're not a fan of polls, data, statistics, or definitions. Anyways, I'll wait for that financial information showing they could have afforded it.
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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You could at least read the title:
    OK, the general limit is six months. We all know that. What else you got?

    Random cites to the law isn't an argument. You'll have to make an actual case.

    You claimed it was delayed because of defense filings. You were wrong. Sorry!

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Goodness, you might want to read the story before making assertions. Again, from the New Yorker:



    OK, so you've made stuff up about the defense filings and the charges while he was a juvenile. What other facts do you need to make up to defend the indefensible?
    You could at least understand what you're talking about before you make stuff up. His prior juvenile record is not expunged until he successfully completes probation without further charges.

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Article 30 NY Criminal Procedure Law Timeliness of Prosecutions

    If the family can't afford $300 they simply aren't living in NY, at least not in a legal home with actual water and electricity. This is not a case of can't afford, but unwilling to afford.
    After his second month in jail, bail was revoked, and the point is moot.

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