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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Just a stab in the dark here, but perhaps he committed another crime and he thought it might send him back.
    Thats not really fair. We dont know that he committed the second crime. Or the first for that matter. We only know he pled guilty to the initial charge of stealing a vehicle and property damage.

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Another Peter Grimm ignorant statement, unless Obama control state prisons.
    Sucks that fail after fail keep happening under your hero's stewardship, doesn't it

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    What did I get wrong...he could pay bail or plead guilty. Are "bail options" different than bail?

    Both sides? A large segment of the prison population at Rikers has been waiting over a year for trial while 400 have waited over two years. Objectively...that's a systematic problem
    He was given 2 separate opportunities to get out and go home while still awaiting trial. He chose to stay in. Could be it was just a testament to the strength of his conviction but it would have gotten him out.

    Yes indeed...it IS a systemic problem. I think we have agreed to that. But the 'other side' could be that he was guilty, that he committed the act (they never talk about what his running buddy plead to if anything). Everything in the story is slanted from his side. Was he picking fights with the guards or were they just picking on him? I mean...look at the story. He was arrested and charged with vehicular theft and property damage after stealing a truck, joyriding then crashing it. But...it wasnt me. He was charged with theft of a backpack and a few thousand dollars worth of things. But...it wasnt me. He didnt start anything with the guards, the guards just said they wanted to fight him...It wasnt me. He was just minding his own business and not starting anything with anyone...but...it wasnt me...I never spat on anyone or called them names.

    Wasnt me. And maybe it wasnt. But...maybe.......

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Sucks that fail after fail keep happening under your hero's stewardship, doesn't it
    Thats a pretty big stretch to tie that to anyone in the fed,...dont you think?

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Thats not really fair. We dont know that he committed the second crime. Or the first for that matter. We only know he pled guilty to the initial charge of stealing a vehicle and property damage.
    Wasn't suggesting that. He was where he was with the criminal record he has. If he committed even the slightest crime, he was most likely sure he'd be returning to Rikers. That's what I see as the likeliest scenario.

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    FEW know that every time that your atty files ANYTHING "for" you, it starts over the speedy trial act. your atty wont warn you about this, and he won't tell you when he's filing something, either!s You have to tell your judge, after asking for a physical copy of the record to be sent to someone that you trust, outside of prison, that you do not want your atty to file ANYTHING without your WRITTEN permisision prior to submitting it. get it ON THE RECORD, in writing and get a COPY of it mailed out to your trusted person, that you are there and then invoking your right to a speedy trial and that you do't want anything lengthening your wait. Quite often, you'll get a MUCH better deal of a plea bargain, cause the state is NOT going to be ready for a trial that soon. If you ever get charged with a felony, you just saved yourself several years in prison by knowing this fact.

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    He was given 2 separate opportunities to get out and go home while still awaiting trial. He chose to stay in. Could be it was just a testament to the strength of his conviction but it would have gotten him out. .
    Are you talking about a plea bargain? I'm pretty sure the founders didn't include that ability to plea guilty to a crime in lieu of a speedy trial...


    Yes indeed...it IS a systemic problem. I think we have agreed to that. But the 'other side' could be that he was guilty, that he committed the act (they never talk about what his running buddy plead to if anything). Everything in the story is slanted from his side. Was he picking fights with the guards or were they just picking on him? I mean...look at the story. He was arrested and charged with vehicular theft and property damage after stealing a truck, joyriding then crashing it. But...it wasnt me. He was charged with theft of a backpack and a few thousand dollars worth of things. But...it wasnt me. He didnt start anything with the guards, the guards just said they wanted to fight him...It wasnt me. He was just minding his own business and not starting anything with anyone...but...it wasnt me...I never spat on anyone or called them names.
    For someone that claims objectivity it seems like your more concerned with making him a "bad apple" than you are about talking about sitting in jail for multiple years waiting for your trail.

    So the idea of a speedy trial...or illegal search and seizure for example...don't count if you committed the crime?
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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Sucks that fail after fail keep happening under your hero's stewardship, doesn't it
    Yea, a kid fell of the swing today, thanks Obama.

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Are you talking about a plea bargain? I'm pretty sure the founders didn't include that ability to plea guilty to a crime in lieu of a speedy trial...



    For someone that claims objectivity it seems like your more concerned with making him a "bad apple" than you are about talking about sitting in jail for multiple years waiting for your trail.

    So the idea of a speedy trial...or illegal search and seizure for example...don't count if you committed the crime?
    Are you being deliberately obtuse? How many times now have I stated that there is certainly a problem with the trial system and that things can and should be done better?

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Yea, a kid fell of the swing today, thanks Obama.
    You do know the POTUS has the absolute power of clemency and pardon, right?

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