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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Tell us why. Do you know, or are you just assuming the worst?

    Why no bail? First time offense? Stealing a backpack and staying locked up for 3 years isn't normal, so what's the reason?

    Is the justice system responsible for the seeming lack of care his family got him for the 2 and a half years he was out of jail after the charges were dropped? Does every juvenile who gets in trouble commit suicide when they get out?
    Bail was quoted as $10K - His mother said she didn't have it.
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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I suppose you didn't actually look at the video or you wouldn't ask the questions. My comments are quite clear. The young black men who kicked, stomped on, beat, and otherwise attempted to hurt or kill the young man in question are the ones I was referring to as less than human. You are free to agree or disagree - makes no difference to me.
    Your comment is clear. You said the video told us about "blacks in America." Not "violent criminals in Rikers who are black" or "blacks in that jail" but "blacks in AMERICA." Pretty broad category. But it told us nothing about "blacks" anywhere. It told us about something those individuals in the video, who I'm pretty sure we're ALL glad are in jail.

    That's why several have commented on that post, and in response you said you didn't take back or weren't walking back any of your comments. OK, taking you at your word, drawing conclusions about "blacks in America" from that video of some small number of individual blacks in prison, caught on tape, is racist, so don't be surprised when you're called out on it.

    If you didn't mean "blacks in America" but "the black individuals in that video" then you can say so and we'll all drop it.

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Bail was quoted as $10K - His mother said she didn't have it.
    Another poster quoted it as $3550 - I don't know one way or the other. Bail bondsmen will take about 10 cents on the dollar to post bail so that's anywhere from $350 to $1000. Mother didn't have it yet she was considered financially secure enough to have him as a foster child and have taken care of 25 others, supposedly. I can tell you that here in Canada nobody that poor is fostering children and they get pretty good supports from the system.
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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    This video says more about blacks in America than it does about the American Justice System. Americans should be glad these less than humans are off the streets.
    I am afraid this disgusting statement says more about your racism that is does blacks in America.

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    To get out for "time served" wouldn't he have to plead guilty? So the right to a speedy trial doesn't exist if you are given the opportunity to just plead guilty to a crime in order to get out?

    Jeeze...spend three years in jail or leave early with a criminal record. Sounds just to me...
    No...he was offered bail options as well as plea bargains. Did you read the stories that were linked?

    Ive not disagreed at all with the right to a speedy trial and have said that there are surely things that can and should be done different. I just actually bothered to objectively look at the story, read multiple accounts, and see both sides rather than just the one that supports my bent.

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Bail was quoted as $10K - His mother said she didn't have it.
    But could have gotten it some time in the three years. Heck, there are about a million advocacy groups for swift justice and the poor in NY she could have contacted for the money.

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Your comment is clear. You said the video told us about "blacks in America." Not "violent criminals in Rikers who are black" or "blacks in that jail" but "blacks in AMERICA." Pretty broad category. But it told us nothing about "blacks" anywhere. It told us about something those individuals in the video, who I'm pretty sure we're ALL glad are in jail.

    That's why several have commented on that post, and in response you said you didn't take back or weren't walking back any of your comments. OK, taking you at your word, drawing conclusions about "blacks in America" from that video of some small number of individual blacks in prison, caught on tape, is racist, so don't be surprised when you're called out on it.

    If you didn't mean "blacks in America" but "the black individuals in that video" then you can say so and we'll all drop it.

    Read my initial post. I clearly said that the video says more about blacks in America than it does about the American justice system and that those in the video were less than human and America should be glad their likes are locked up.

    I stand by those words - they are true, if brutal.
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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    I am afraid this disgusting statement says more about your racism that is does blacks in America.
    All things considered, CJ definitely could have expressed that sentiment better. He could have been far more selective rather than using the broad brush. I dont think the videos offered speaks to 'blacks in America'. But to those particular groups of people that happen to be black? The prison guards that beat him down, one of which was caught on video? The gang assaults that DID NOT STOP...even after guards were putting themselves between him and the gangs and even after the kid had been secured in a side room? Speaks pretty poorly of those groups.

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Cover blown.
    It appears like the KKK isn't limited to the South.

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    Re: Jailed For Years Without Trial, Kills Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Happened under obamas watch
    Another Peter Grimm ignorant statement, unless Obama control state prisons.

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