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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Quote Originally Posted by MrT View Post
    Do you wish to argue that subsidies in this case (i.e. assistance for individuals to purchase health insurance which, in turn, help spread the risks and lower the costs for every other individual in that same market place) are bad?
    I don't believe it is the other taxpayers' responsibility to pay for someone else's personal responsibility issue. If the states want to do it and get the support from their citizens then so be it, but NOT a national program funded by FIT dollars.

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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    warning that a ruling against subsidies would be a "twisted interpretation" of the law.

    The only thing twisted in this story is him.
    it's seem like a rather weird "attack " for him to say that.. .especially in light of the "twisted interpretations" that were used to enact Obamacare in the first place.

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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

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    It really is sad what Obama supporters have made this nation and their total ignorance as to the role of the Federal Govt. and where the money comes from for that govt. It is easy for them to ask for subsidies because they just don't get it, subsidies come from tax revenue paid for by actual taxpayers.

    One of the worst things to ever happen in this country was LBJ creating the unified budget where all tax revenue from all tax sources goes into one pot regardless of what the tax was supposed to fund. That makes it easy for politicians to spend money and then when the item the taxes were to fund runs out of money simply say the program is broke and we need to tax the taxpayers more. Obama supporters have no problem taking from someone else and Obama has no problem promoting wealth redistribution.
    To the bolded, all taxes meet that definition. I'm certain what really bothers you is what the taken money is used for. Feeding children at school, HELL NO, welfare for Israel, how much do you want. Food stamps for the impoverished, HELL NO, money for the Pentagon, how much do you need. R&D for aids, HELL NO, money to militarize our police forces, how much do you need. Both parties favor big government, big spending, they only differ in where and how.
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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    The more technical critique should have been directed towards the three judge panel for the DC Court of Appeals. At the same time that this decision was made in 2-1 verdict against the ACA, the 4th Circuit ruled 3-0 in favor of the ACA. If the conflict did not exist, then the Supreme Court would not have taken up the issue.

    The implications of a negative ruling in this case are tremendous and should not be understated. The insurance markets in those states which do not run their own health insurance market places (thirty six states) will have hundreds of thousands of individuals instantly drop out of the insurance market. The remaining policies will almost certainly become non-profitable for the insurance companies. The new pricing will reflect the fact that potentially millions of individuals will no longer be able to take part in the market place and this will increase the risk and thus, the price.

    What the finding will not do, despite the misunderstandings (and desires) of some conservatives, is destroy the Affordable Care Act. Subsidies for those individuals who are unable to afford the full cost of health insurance is one component (albeit important) of the ACA. The law, including the mandate that insurance companies not reject individuals based on pre-existing conditions will still exist. The tax penalty for those individuals who can afford health insurance, but choose not to purchase a qualifying plan, will still exist. The State and Federally run marketplaces will still exist.

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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    To the bolded, all taxes meet that definition. I'm certain what really bothers you is what the taken money is used for. Feeding children at school, HELL NO, welfare for Israel, how much do you want. Food stamps for the impoverished, HELL NO, money for the Pentagon, how much do you need. R&D for aids, HELL NO, money to militarize our police forces, how much do you need. Both parties favor big government, big spending, they only differ in where and how.
    What really bothers me is people who don't understand what taxes they pay and where the money is supposed to go. Schools aren't funded by Federal Tax dollars, but rather state and local dollars. Police, schools, and fire fighters-state and local taxes. You continue to prove me point.

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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I don't believe it is the other taxpayers' responsibility to pay for someone else's personal responsibility issue. If the states want to do it and get the support from their citizens then so be it, but NOT a national program funded by FIT dollars.
    Everyone participates in the health market because the health market does not respond to ordinary market forces. Everyone has a need for medical services at some point in their life and the overwhelming majority of individuals can not afford the actual cost associated with most medical care. It requires an odd interpretation for someone to try and claim that "cancer" or "heart disease" is the sole responsibility of the individual when the society also faces tremendous costs when that individual can not afford the medical care necessary to deal with their issue.

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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Quote Originally Posted by MrT View Post
    The more technical critique should have been directed towards the three judge panel for the DC Court of Appeals. At the same time that this decision was made in 2-1 verdict against the ACA, the 4th Circuit ruled 3-0 in favor of the ACA. If the conflict did not exist, then the Supreme Court would not have taken up the issue.

    The implications of a negative ruling in this case are tremendous and should not be understated. The insurance markets in those states which do not run their own health insurance market places (thirty six states) will have hundreds of thousands of individuals instantly drop out of the insurance market. The remaining policies will almost certainly become non-profitable for the insurance companies. The new pricing will reflect the fact that potentially millions of individuals will no longer be able to take part in the market place and this will increase the risk and thus, the price.

    What the finding will not do, despite the misunderstandings (and desires) of some conservatives, is destroy the Affordable Care Act. Subsidies for those individuals who are unable to afford the full cost of health insurance is one component (albeit important) of the ACA. The law, including the mandate that insurance companies not reject individuals based on pre-existing conditions will still exist. The tax penalty for those individuals who can afford health insurance, but choose not to purchase a qualifying plan, will still exist. The State and Federally run marketplaces will still exist.
    Don't get it, do you, Mr. T. it isn't the federal taxpayer's responsibility to pay for your health insurance since your costs are state and local responsibility.

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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Quote Originally Posted by MrT View Post
    Everyone participates in the health market because the health market does not respond to ordinary market forces. Everyone has a need for medical services at some point in their life and the overwhelming majority of individuals can not afford the actual cost associated with most medical care. It requires an odd interpretation for someone to try and claim that "cancer" or "heart disease" is the sole responsibility of the individual when the society also faces tremendous costs when that individual can not afford the medical care necessary to deal with their issue.
    That is a state and local responsibility not a federal taxpayers. Please learn what your state and local government's responsibility is as well as the purpose of the Federal Govt.

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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What really bothers me is people who don't understand what taxes they pay and where the money is supposed to go. Schools aren't funded by Federal Tax dollars, but rather state and local dollars. Police, schools, and fire fighters-state and local taxes. You continue to prove me point.
    Good god, stop looking stupid.


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    And I didn't speak to firefighters.
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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    That is a state and local responsibility not a federal taxpayers. Please learn what your state and local government's responsibility is as well as the purpose of the Federal Govt.
    So is the repair to the infrastructure, replacement of services, and improvement to the health and well-being of it's citizens after a natural disaster, but that did not stop Texas from requesting federal assistance after the recent floods.

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