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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    You keep refining what you said, and you are still arriving at the same conclusion: The government must pay individuals to get something that being alive requires. What are you list of required subsidies all should receive because it's the Federal governments responsibility to provide?
    Well, before too long, such a subsidy will be required - essentially a guaranteed salary for everyone. Within the next 30-40 years, roughly HALF of all jobs available today will be obsolete because of computers and robots. At that point, you really are staring at a bunch of no-win situations. Either one half of the population lives without a salary and you hope that they die without creating too much chaos for society. Or you divide the income of the remaining jobs such that individuals who are not employed will still be able to afford necessities.

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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

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    The vast majority of the healthcare costs for the uninsured are paid for by the states and thus the taxpayers of the state making Healthcare a state issue. Just like with so many programs people are looking to the Federal Govt through the Federal Taxpayer to do what they cannot get done through their own state legislatures. MA created their own healthcare program so did Hawaii but that isn't good enough for social engineering liberals who want to impose their ideology on the rest of us.
    Medicare and Medicaid are run by the Federal Government. Setting national standards for hospitals and medical care are influenced by the Federal Government. There is certainly a role to be played by both the State and the Federal Government.

    As for State legislatures, we shouldn't punish someone just because they live in a State like Kansas where the Governor is running it into the ground because he is trying to pursue a Conservative's ideal for how Government should be run.

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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Quote Originally Posted by MrT View Post
    Medicare and Medicaid are run by the Federal Government. Setting national standards for hospitals and medical care are influenced by the Federal Government. There is certainly a role to be played by both the State and the Federal Government.

    As for State legislatures, we shouldn't punish someone just because they live in a State like Kansas where the Governor is running it into the ground because he is trying to pursue a Conservative's ideal for how Government should be run.
    Yes they are and they are inefficient and broke. I find it interesting that you have faith in a government that has created an 18.2 TRILLION dollar debt and are willing to give them more power. This is and always will be a state responsibility. our Founders understood that a successful democracy is putting power closest to the people, not in D.C.

    Conservative principles are those that accept personal responsibility something apparently you don't understand. For some reason you believe the taxpayer should take on that responsibility for you, why?

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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Plenty of Republicans and conservatives on this board think SCOTUS shouldn't be taking up same-sex marriage cases, but Obama says something similar and he's a KING!
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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Plenty of Republicans and conservatives on this board think SCOTUS shouldn't be taking up same-sex marriage cases, but Obama says something similar and he's a KING!
    Who? Are you sure you aren't confusing "shouldn't be taking up" with "hope they rule the way I want"?
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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Who? Are you sure you aren't confusing "shouldn't be taking up" with "hope they rule the way I want"?
    No, there are plenty suggesting that marriage is a state issue and the Feds have no business being involved.
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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I find it interesting that you have faith in a government that has created an 18.2 TRILLION dollar debt and are willing to give them more power.
    The size of the US Debt does not concern me that much because of the facts that our economy is still the largest in the world, the fact that our GDP-to-Debt ratio is relatively healthy when compared to other industrialized nations, and the fact that the US Dollar is still a world reserve currency.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Conservative principles are those that accept personal responsibility something apparently you don't understand. For some reason you believe the taxpayer should take on that responsibility for you, why?
    And I get the notion of personal responsibility. I also understand the benefits of recognizing that our society is a collection of individual actors and individuals actors, especially when they are each pursuing their own best interests, will not obtain the best outcome for society. As such, a nationally recognized force that is capable of making decisions to help guide the group as a whole should be given authority to act in certain areas and under certain restrictions.

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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    MrT;1064702185]The size of the US Debt does not concern me that much because of the facts that our economy is still the largest in the world, the fact that our GDP-to-Debt ratio is relatively healthy when compared to other industrialized nations, and the fact that the US Dollar is still a world reserve currency.
    Since government spending is a small part of GDP why is debt to GDP ratio important to you? Do you understand debt service? Think we pay debt service on the ratio? No, we pay debt service on the actual dollars and right now debt service is the fourth largest budget item. Imagine what that will be with more normal interest rates? Of course you don't care about debt service because you personally don't feel it and therein lies part of the problem. What could we do with the extra 250 billion a year?

    And I get the notion of personal responsibility. I also understand the benefits of recognizing that our society is a collection of individual actors and individuals actors, especially when they are each pursuing their own best interests, will not obtain the best outcome for society. As such, a nationally recognized force that is capable of making decisions to help guide the group as a whole should be given authority to act in certain areas and under certain restrictions.
    Yes, that is why MA and Hawaii did their own healthcare law. It meets the requirements of our Founders, it is closest to the people and was supported by the people. You want healthcare get your state to pass a Universal Healthcare Law

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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No, there are plenty suggesting that marriage is a state issue and the Feds have no business being involved.
    ... which is what they are hoping the SCOTUS rules.
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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Conservative wrote a post saying that he objected to taxes being pooled in a general fund rather than targeted to pay for programs the taxes were meant to fund...

    You followed by asking him if he was opposed to all taxes.

    In summation: You weren't following what Conservative said.
    My comment was directed at his last line in post number six, and not the portion you loosely quoted. Which looks to me to quite well define any tax money. Apparently another poster saw it that way as well.
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