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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Ok, what does that have to do with the thread topic or the comments made about taxes and their use?
    Medicare money IS tax money, and you likely won't be opposing using it to pay for retraining all those Americans that will be loosing their jobs due to that pos TPP. it's the hypocrisy which is relevant.
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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Quote Originally Posted by MrT View Post
    Do you want to count how many from this list are regulated to some degree by the Federal Government? Or would you like me to count for you?
    Your logic stated that because you have to have it and not everyone can pay for it, the government must be involved. That isn't regulation.

    Stop trying to change the meaning of your rant, own it, and start calling for a set of freebies that everyone should get.

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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Your logic stated that because you have to have it and not everyone can pay for it, the government must be involved. That isn't regulation.

    Stop trying to change the meaning of your rant, own it, and start calling for a set of freebies that everyone should get.
    Strawman. A bit ironic given your profile name and picture.

    I said that healthcare does not respond to normal market forces. Everyone needs health care and very few can pay for the full cost and society bears a great deal of burden to compensate for those individuals who still obtain the healthcare, but can not afford the costs, and society also bears a great deal of burden to compensate for those individuals who do not obtain the healthcare. Those are very valid reasons for the need to regulate.

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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Medicare money IS tax money, and you likely won't be opposing using it to pay for retraining all those Americans that will be loosing their jobs due to that pos TPP. it's the hypocrisy which is relevant.
    Yes, I will be opposing that as the FICA taxes were created to fund SS and Medicare, not unemployment insurance. That seems to be the problem with people like you, no understand of the taxes you pay and their intent. All money is the same to you and that was never the intent.

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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Quote Originally Posted by MrT View Post
    Strawman. A bit ironic given your profile name and picture.

    I said that healthcare does not respond to normal market forces. Everyone needs health care and very few can pay for the full cost and society bears a great deal of burden to compensate for those individuals who still obtain the healthcare, but can not afford the costs, and society also bears a great deal of burden to compensate for those individuals who do not obtain the healthcare. Those are very valid reasons for the need to regulate.
    The vast majority of the healthcare costs for the uninsured are paid for by the states and thus the taxpayers of the state making Healthcare a state issue. Just like with so many programs people are looking to the Federal Govt through the Federal Taxpayer to do what they cannot get done through their own state legislatures. MA created their own healthcare program so did Hawaii but that isn't good enough for social engineering liberals who want to impose their ideology on the rest of us.

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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Quote Originally Posted by MrT View Post
    Strawman. A bit ironic given your profile name and picture.

    I said that healthcare does not respond to normal market forces. Everyone needs health care and very few can pay for the full cost and society bears a great deal of burden to compensate for those individuals who still obtain the healthcare, but can not afford the costs, and society also bears a great deal of burden to compensate for those individuals who do not obtain the healthcare. Those are very valid reasons for the need to regulate.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrT View Post
    Everyone participates in the health market because the health market does not respond to ordinary market forces. Everyone has a need for medical services at some point in their life and the overwhelming majority of individuals can not afford the actual cost associated with most medical care. It requires an odd interpretation for someone to try and claim that "cancer" or "heart disease" is the sole responsibility of the individual when the society also faces tremendous costs when that individual can not afford the medical care necessary to deal with their issue.

    You keep refining what you said, and you are still arriving at the same conclusion: The government must pay individuals to get something that being alive requires. What are you list of required subsidies all should receive because it's the Federal governments responsibility to provide?

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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

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    Yes, I will be opposing that as the FICA taxes were created to fund SS and Medicare, not unemployment insurance. That seems to be the problem with people like you, no understand of the taxes you pay and their intent. All money is the same to you and that was never the intent.
    I don't disagree with you on that point though and haven't been disputing that. But in the sense that I have really no control over how my money has been spent, it's all the same for me, regardless of how monies might be allocated, in the various forms, I contribute substantial money to the Feds, and it's often used in ways that I don't like. If you're going to oppose 700 million dollars taken from Medicare for the purpose I have already posted, then you'd best get going, they're working on it already.
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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Another one who can't follow a conversation.
    Conservative wrote a post saying that he objected to taxes being pooled in a general fund rather than targeted to pay for programs the taxes were meant to fund...

    You followed by asking him if he was opposed to all taxes.

    In summation: You weren't following what Conservative said.
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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I don't disagree with you on that point though and haven't been disputing that. But in the sense that I have really no control over how my money has been spent, it's all the same for me, regardless of how monies might be allocated, in the various forms, I contribute substantial money to the Feds, and it's often used in ways that I don't like. If you're going to oppose 700 million dollars taken from Medicare for the purpose I have already posted, then you'd best get going, they're working on it already.
    They are working on it? How do you know that or is this some rumor?

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