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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    To the bolded, all taxes meet that definition. I'm certain what really bothers you is what the taken money is used for. Feeding children at school, HELL NO, welfare for Israel, how much do you want. Food stamps for the impoverished, HELL NO, money for the Pentagon, how much do you need. R&D for aids, HELL NO, money to militarize our police forces, how much do you need. Both parties favor big government, big spending, they only differ in where and how.
    I don't mind helping people with a hand up. I do mind supporting someone that makes a career out of gaming the system. I do mind a govt that spends money had over fist on negative productive programs, contracts or research grants. I don't trust the govt not to squander the hard earned money I am charged for taxes. I agree that politicians on both sides want to increase taxes, regardless of what they say. If they take a dollar out of my pocket then give it to someone that needs it and not to research how many times a mosquito beats it's wing a second or to figure out how to use bumble bees as chemical weapons, or to try to control the weather or create "midnight basketball" programs. All of the aforementioned were actual cases of squandered money with absolutely zero results.

    I have an Ex-wife that was a welfare queen. She figured out that she would get a raise every time she popped out another kid. Thank God only the first two of them were mine. She finally was convicted of welfare fraud by claiming that I was not paying child support. I produced all of the receipts and checks that proved she was lying. I still payed more than 20k in debt that she owed to the state for money she received fraudulently. She voted for Obama. Wonder why that is.

    I think most people are willing to help out folks that need a hand but I don't think everyone just endorses total trust to the govt to weed out the fraud. It is their job to do that but they fall so far short, as do most govt agencies. Hell, just look at the VA. Talk about a waste of money with less than minimal results. I think some agencies actually promote fraud. I do not think it is a person's right to sit on their butt for their whole life and sponge off the govt.

    I agree mostly agree with you but I am a stickler with fraud. When it comes to any program, whether it involves govt contractors, politicians or individuals, if they steal the taxes I paid then they need to go to jail. I just think a lot of people need to go to jail. It isn't "their" money they are wasting. It is MY money, it is OUR money, it isn't THEIR money. We entrust them to safeguard our taxes and most of them think it's a game.
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    We should always be aware and on alert of government over-reach and whittling away of rights....not just when our political party isn't in the Oval Office.
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    I'm sorry that you feel the need to defame the Americans who voted for Hillary Clinton, and that democratic institutions mean so little to you.

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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Everyone participates in living and because the living does not respond to ordinary market forces. Everyone has a need to live at some point in their life and the overwhelming majority of individuals can not afford the actual cost associated with most living. It requires an odd interpretation for someone to try and claim that "being alive" or "a beating heart" is the sole responsibility of the individual when the society also faces tremendous costs when that individual can not afford to live and is necessary to deal with their issue.

    Clearly your logic also applies to food, water, living quarters, entertainment, transportation, a wage, retirement, and burial.
    You forgot internet, electricity, phone, flat screens, hookers, recreational drugs, hot cars with stupid looking wheels and massive sound systems.
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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Quote Originally Posted by MrT View Post
    Do you want to count how many from this list are regulated to some degree by the Federal Government? Or would you like me to count for you?
    Regulation does not make those items a right.
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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I believe the Chief Justice doesn't want the legacy - the Roberts Court shot down Obamacare. He saved it once and he'll do it again, IMHO.
    I am afraid you might be right but for the wrong reason. I am not sure it is about his legacy but that is another discussion.
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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    It WAS disrespectful of Obama to make the comments that he has. So what? It is Obama's job to push his agenda and that is what he did. Other presidents have done. I think his agenda totally sucks but I have to be honest here. It doesn't matter, other than he might have just pushed the wrong button with the SCOTUS, which would be a good thing.
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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Erik.

    I don't understand why Obama would publically question what cases the Supreme Court should hear in the first place. They don't report to him. Things are getting stranger by the day in DC!
    He thinks his charisma might win them over. Don't they know just exactly who he is?
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    I'm sorry that you feel the need to defame the Americans who voted for Hillary Clinton, and that democratic institutions mean so little to you.

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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    almost everyone is stealing taxes. go to any VA parking lot and LOOK at the vehicles driven by the "poor' veterans soaking up your tax $, folks. $50,000 pickup trucks and SUV's ,most of them. yeah, they are hurting for money SO BADLY

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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I think it's totally appropriate. President George W. Bush, for instance, did not hesitate to criticize a 2008 ruling recognizing the rights of prisoners held at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba. But I suspect it only bothers you if it's a democrat doing it.
    Do you think criticizing a decision has the same quality as allowing a case to be made?

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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Quote Originally Posted by NonoBadDog View Post
    I don't mind helping people with a hand up. I do mind supporting someone that makes a career out of gaming the system. I do mind a govt that spends money had over fist on negative productive programs, contracts or research grants. I don't trust the govt not to squander the hard earned money I am charged for taxes. I agree that politicians on both sides want to increase taxes, regardless of what they say. If they take a dollar out of my pocket then give it to someone that needs it and not to research how many times a mosquito beats it's wing a second or to figure out how to use bumble bees as chemical weapons, or to try to control the weather or create "midnight basketball" programs. All of the aforementioned were actual cases of squandered money with absolutely zero results.

    I have an Ex-wife that was a welfare queen. She figured out that she would get a raise every time she popped out another kid. Thank God only the first two of them were mine. She finally was convicted of welfare fraud by claiming that I was not paying child support. I produced all of the receipts and checks that proved she was lying. I still payed more than 20k in debt that she owed to the state for money she received fraudulently. She voted for Obama. Wonder why that is.

    I think most people are willing to help out folks that need a hand but I don't think everyone just endorses total trust to the govt to weed out the fraud. It is their job to do that but they fall so far short, as do most govt agencies. Hell, just look at the VA. Talk about a waste of money with less than minimal results. I think some agencies actually promote fraud. I do not think it is a person's right to sit on their butt for their whole life and sponge off the govt.

    I agree mostly agree with you but I am a stickler with fraud. When it comes to any program, whether it involves govt contractors, politicians or individuals, if they steal the taxes I paid then they need to go to jail. I just think a lot of people need to go to jail. It isn't "their" money they are wasting. It is MY money, it is OUR money, it isn't THEIR money. We entrust them to safeguard our taxes and most of them think it's a game.
    Hey, I'm with you when it comes to waste, fraud and abuse of my tax dollars, not only by your ex welfare queen, but by our politicians that can loose 8 billion dollars of palletized, 100 dollar bills in Iraq, bridges to nowhere, gratuitous wars, militarization of the nations police departments, corporate welfare, etc. but I'm far more offended by welfare being gamed from my tax dollars by Israel then your ex wife.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama says Supreme Court should never have taken up health law case

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Do you think criticizing a decision has the same quality as allowing a case to be made?
    Obama has no authority in what the SCOTUS hears, so that's as much opinion as the rest of his comments on it so, yes.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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